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    Something that has really been making me mad lately is the fact that formula companies are not allowed to advertise formula for infants (under 12 months)....why the heck not?? Formula for infants seems to have been lumped into the same category as cigarettes, certain alcohols and gambling - god forbid we let it be advertised on TV, I mean it's obviously a serious risk to the community! Grrrrr.... Its just perpetuating & reinforcing the 'formula is evil' line.



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    Quote Originally Posted by littlelove View Post
    Something that has really been making me mad lately is the fact that formula companies are not allowed to advertise formula for infants (under 12 months)....why the heck not?? Formula for infants seems to have been lumped into the same category as cigarettes, alcohol and gambling - god forbid we let it be advertised on TV, I mean it's obviously a serious risk to the community! Grrrrr.... Its just perpetuating & reinforcing the 'formula is evil' line.



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    It's not that formula is evil. There are risks with formula feeding, like with almost anything. Despite formula being pretty good these days, it's not perfect and it's still not optimal nutritionally because it cannot contain the same things that breastmilk does. I don't want to bang on about the wonders of bm in this section as it isn't appropriate but I will share this link from the WHO which explains the reasoning for the code against advertising formula. http://www.who.int/nutrition/publica...issues_eng.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    It's not that formula is evil. There are risks with formula feeding, like with almost anything. Despite formula being pretty good these days, it's not perfect and it's still not optimal nutritionally because it cannot contain the same things that breastmilk does. I don't want to bang on about the wonders of bm in this section as it isn't appropriate but I will share this link from the WHO which explains the reasoning for the code against advertising formula. http://www.who.int/nutrition/publica...issues_eng.pdf
    Thanks for posting that link. I read through the report and it does raise some valid points that I hadn't considered. I do think that sometimes the blanket approach that the WHO needs to take to cover all countries doesn't really 'fit' in some circumstances. But having said that, I'm all for abiding by WHO recommendations! They know what they're on about


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    That article says that breastfeeding is not subject to advertising.... Really? It's advertised bloody everywhere! Yes not on TV and radio and I'm sure that's what they mean. But it is advertised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busy-Bee View Post
    My GP diagnosed vasospasms. In saying that he was a new GP that was recommended to me by an LC because he had specialist knowledge of BFing. I fed DD in front of him and still had my boob out and he saw the whitening of my nipple. At that time my current GP didn't even know what vasospams were. He gave me some medication but advised that it had mixed results. Turns out it didn't to a thing for me. I still had all sorts of pain going on at the time from BFing and vasospasms was just one source.
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    I was referred to a rheumatologist by the LC at RPAH, vasopasm goes hand in hand with autoimmune diseases - but of course it doesn't always. Some people get it for no reason, I'm sure your doctor would have been keeping his eyes out for any signs.

    I agree with you to a degree, a lot of my guilt was internal as well -but it certainly made it 100 times worse when I met with judgement and rudeness from other people regarding formula feeding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    That article says that breastfeeding is not subject to advertising.... Really? It's advertised bloody everywhere! Yes not on TV and radio and I'm sure that's what they mean. But it is advertised.
    It certainly is in Australia that's for sure! That's what I mean by the WHOs blanket approach not really fitting all situations. I think infant formula should be allowed to be advertised, but much like the stage 3 formula, the advertising should be regulated, with disclaimers (even though the 'beast is best' disclaimers irk me a bit, I understand why they're there).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    That article says that breastfeeding is not subject to advertising.... Really? It's advertised bloody everywhere! Yes not on TV and radio and I'm sure that's what they mean. But it is advertised.
    That's also part of the WHO initiative- to encourage it where rates are low. According to stats, the vast majority of Australian babies are transitioned to formula before 12 months. I think it's just under 30% are still breastfed at 12 months, so more than 70% are formula fed within the first 12 months, which is against the Australian recommendation of 12 months breastfeeding and the WHO recommendation of two years. In countries where formula advertising is allowed it is generally very aggressive. Lots of money is spent by big corporations on TV, magazine, radio, internet based ads. Clinics and doctors are inundated with samples to dispense. Samples are given out in hospitals along with coupons. It's much more prevalent than the odd bf poster or ABA ad on a box of lux flakes. With breastfeeding, there's no one to fund big ad campaigns and no way to give out samples. While I think it's fine to use formula ( bit hypocritical if I didn't lol) I also recognise it's big business.

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    But my argument is, why are we so desperate to bf to begin with, often to our own detriment? Why is formula such a terrible thing? Yes it's natural, it's how babies were genetically meant to eat. But I argue it more than being biologically driven to bf. It's the external pressure that pushes us over the edge. If formula wasn't so denigrated by the med pros we have close contact with when we are at our most vulnerable, I believe there would still be feelings of sadness and loss, but not the same levels of PND we are seeing.

    I should add to answer your further questions. I think most bfer aren't judged for bfing generally, but feeding in public, feeding past the illusive 12 months. Bfing is still seen as the gold seal of 'good' parenting.... just with conditions iykwim. I suppose what I'm trying to say, not so succinctly, is that yes, how a mother fees about the feeding method is the main reason, but external judgment def plays a role for ffers as well.[/QUOTE]

    See I am going to agree with everything you (and all the other posters) are saying about the negativity that is experienced by formula feeders BUT at the same time I think you are underestimating the negativity that many breastfeeders experience. It is very very common for breastfeeders to be told that their milk is not good enough (especially if their baby dares to drop a percentile on the weight chart). Family tell women that breast milk isn't enough to fill a baby up enough for it to sleep all night. In another thread recently a mum was told that her breast milk didnt have the "essential nutrients" that formula has. Being asked are you sure he is getting enough is something that all bf mums I know have been asked. Also your experience is that health professionals push breast is best but my experience is that anyone who struggles with feeding (particularly with supply or prolonged pain) are told to just give formula. My experiences come from many mums of tongue tied bubs. This is a very poorly understood diagnosis and if your bub has it most people will recommend you stop breath feeding instead of referring you to get the condition treated. If you persist with breastfeeding and insisted on getting the tie treated your are cruel for inflicting pain on your bub and selfish for putting your own want to bf above your baby- cos your baby would be fine on formula.
    So after all that rambling I am going to say that none of us mums are supported in our very valid choices and so I am leaning toward the biological urge to bf as being the reason that formula feeders have high rates of depression. Just my current opinion.... That is open to change. X

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    That article says that breastfeeding is not subject to advertising.... Really? It's advertised bloody everywhere! Yes not on TV and radio and I'm sure that's what they mean. But it is advertised.
    Not on Facebook it isn't! (Pics get reported).


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    I agree with you that no woman is supported in her choice, but that goes for everything as well - labour/c/sections, CC/No cry, it isn't just limited to feeding.

    I had the opposite experience though - I didn't ever have one person tell me to give up - until it had been months of agony and I finally saw the rheumy who diagnosed me with several AIs. Before that I felt immense pressure to keep feeding, from ABA to my LC. I appreciate that that is their job - but when someone is in severe distress and pain - I do wish someone had said to me "It's ok to stop, you've done enough". But they never did.
    Quote Originally Posted by RedCreamingSoda View Post
    But my argument is, why are we so desperate to bf to begin with, often to our own detriment? Why is formula such a terrible thing? Yes it's natural, it's how babies were genetically meant to eat. But I argue it more than being biologically driven to bf. It's the external pressure that pushes us over the edge. If formula wasn't so denigrated by the med pros we have close contact with when we are at our most vulnerable, I believe there would still be feelings of sadness and loss, but not the same levels of PND we are seeing.

    I should add to answer your further questions. I think most bfer aren't judged for bfing generally, but feeding in public, feeding past the illusive 12 months. Bfing is still seen as the gold seal of 'good' parenting.... just with conditions iykwim. I suppose what I'm trying to say, not so succinctly, is that yes, how a mother fees about the feeding method is the main reason, but external judgment def plays a role for ffers as well.
    See I am going to agree with everything you (and all the other posters) are saying about the negativity that is experienced by formula feeders BUT at the same time I think you are underestimating the negativity that many breastfeeders experience. It is very very common for breastfeeders to be told that their milk is not good enough (especially if their baby dares to drop a percentile on the weight chart). Family tell women that breast milk isn't enough to fill a baby up enough for it to sleep all night. In another thread recently a mum was told that her breast milk didnt have the "essential nutrients" that formula has. Being asked are you sure he is getting enough is something that all bf mums I know have been asked. Also your experience is that health professionals push breast is best but my experience is that anyone who struggles with feeding (particularly with supply or prolonged pain) are told to just give formula. My experiences come from many mums of tongue tied bubs. This is a very poorly understood diagnosis and if your bub has it most people will recommend you stop breath feeding instead of referring you to get the condition treated. If you persist with breastfeeding and insisted on getting the tie treated your are cruel for inflicting pain on your bub and selfish for putting your own want to bf above your baby- cos your baby would be fine on formula.
    So after all that rambling I am going to say that none of us mums are supported in our very valid choices and so I am leaning toward the biological urge to bf as being the reason that formula feeders have high rates of depression. Just my current opinion.... That is open to change. X[/QUOTE]

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