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    Have you read about some of the more severe cases of measles?

    I'll never forget my mother telling me about a severely disabled child she saw lying lifeless on a bean bag when she took my brother to occupational therapy many years ago. This poor little girl was born healthy - it was a dose of measles that changed her life forever

    These VPD's can be vicious, life changing, even deadly. Doctors can only do so much.

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    My kids are vaxxed according to the schedule, but I am strongly against forced vaccination.

    I do not want to see us go down that path at all. As much as people may not like it, I don't agree with taking away other people's bodily autonomy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OurLittleBlessing View Post
    My kids are vaxxed according to the schedule, but I am strongly against forced vaccination.

    I do not want to see us go down that path at all. As much as people may not like it, I don't agree with taking away other people's bodily autonomy.
    Humans give up their bodily autonomy for the good and safety of others in society every day. It's such an ingrained part of our society though that we never think of it that way. We think of it as normal and "the law".

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    Quote Originally Posted by OurLittleBlessing View Post
    My kids are vaxxed according to the schedule, but I am strongly against forced vaccination.

    I do not want to see us go down that path at all. As much as people may not like it, I don't agree with taking away other people's bodily autonomy.
    I agree with you about forced vaccination..... Though I do re-think my stance at times when hearing about cases of VPDs on the community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky1 View Post
    @J37 correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I'm aware most VPDs are unable to be treated by antibiotics as they are viral
    eg. rubella, mumps, measles, chickenpox, polio, hep A/B, influenza, rotavirus, HPV



    ETA: MissMuppet beat me to it!
    You are correct. All of those infectious diseases are viruses. Antibiotics will have no effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamtam View Post
    I don't see why vaccinating cannot become compulsory.
    Just on this point - I'm 100% pro-vax but the idea of any medical procedure being made compulsory kind of scares me, I think it sets a rather dangerous precedent.
    Ideally, vaccines should never need to be made compulsory because there would never be people choosing not to get them for non-medical reasons…
    But until then, maybe they should be

    edit - this was just better said in the time it took me to reply!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OurLittleBlessing View Post
    My kids are vaxxed according to the schedule, but I am strongly against forced vaccination.

    I do not want to see us go down that path at all. As much as people may not like it, I don't agree with taking away other people's bodily autonomy.
    I'm going to use smoking as an example again as a PP that mentioned it earlier really made sense.

    Tobacco smokers are doing something that is against the overwhelming evidence that advises against it for our health. Just as there is overwhelming evidence that we should vaccinate for our health.
    Smoking is banned in many public places because of the proven health risks to others. Why is not vaccinating any different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    You are right.
    @J37 isn't whooping cough only able to be treated with antibiotics within the first week - and it lessens symptoms not cures the disease. And as well all know - most people are diagnosed until well after a week anyway rendering antibiotics ineffective for whooping cough generally even though it is bacterial?
    Whooping cough (Pertussis) is a bacterial infection, yes, caused by Bordetella pertussis. However, as a general rule, antibiotics do NOT lessen the symptoms. They are given as they reduce the infectivity of the patient...that is, reduce their "infectiousness".

    This is a good thing for the COMMUNITY...see that PP...I am referring to the health of OTHER people. Imagine that. (And yes, I am getting snarky.)

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    I actually have another way of explaining things.

    Atm I'm not sure if Ebola is a VPD, but just say it was. There is a vaccine that could have prevented this outbreak. And people decide that they're not going to vaccinate because some random said ebola is an easilly treatable illness.
    At present, one of the boarders of one of the heavilly affected parts now has a "shoot on sight" order. Anyone trying to leave will be shot and killed. So if the ebola doesn't kill you, someone with a gun will. To protect the rest of society and keep them safe.

    So then what is the lesser of two evils. The measures taken to contain and control such a deadly disease or just being made to have a vaccination?

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    Quote Originally Posted by redlipsandpearls View Post
    I'm going to use smoking as an example again as a PP that mentioned it earlier really made sense.

    Tobacco smokers are doing something that is against the overwhelming evidence that advises against it for our health. Just as there is overwhelming evidence that we should vaccinate for our health.
    Smoking is banned in many public places because of the proven health risks to others. Why is not vaccinating any different?
    I think smoking isn't a great example as you are asking smokers NOT to do something. Forcing people to have drugs injected against their will is completely different in my mind.


 

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