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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdgirl View Post
    Then the dr/nurse could have taken two seconds to say no it's not just tetanus so the parent can make an informed decision.
    Poor show on the hospitals behalf IMO.
    I agree with you.

    I posted that info because a PP had incorrectly suggested that a single tetanus vaccine is available in Australia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I think it's extremely relevant. How can you make an informed decision to not vax as a parent without understanding very basic facts about vaxxing?

    That would be like me deciding to bottle feed from birth without understanding the role of colostrum then telling people since I had made that decision that fact was moot.

    ETA another reason my point is relevant is the fact the OP was fine with the tetanus shot but not the Dip/WC and others. Which tells me pretty clearly she has an issue with multiple vax shots (which is valid). Therefore if you have concerns about several vaxxes in one injection surely you would educate yourself on the basics of which needle has what in it?
    I know that a lot of shots are given in combo, and I don't really like that too much, but if I were given a pop quiz on the spot about exactly which combinations were used in the schedule as of 20th of july 2014, I'd fail miserably, as I simply don't need to have that exact level of knowledge, as I don't actually get the majority of the shots given to my kids.

    When you have a kid in hospital, thinking about tetanus, I really don't think your exact vax knowledge is going to be at the forefront of your mind especially when diptheria isn't mentioned, and shots change all the time, as I said before, and different practices/hospitals sometimes give different versions of the shots. They need to be really CLEAR what they are injecting, the OP doesn't have ESP.

    Yes, it is good to get your knowledge when you are actively researching your decisions, but in a high stress situation, to give her a hard time about being 'uninformed about the exact shot at that exact time', is nothing short of b1tchy.
    I'd expect way better from you. This is a non vax thread, not a 'veiled attack a non vaxxer thread' by the vaxxers on the forum!
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    I'm strongly pro-vax, so I'm struggling a little to put that aside in order to answer your question... but I'll try :P

    I think you have every right to be annoyed. It sounds like your question was answered incorrectly. Most likely, it was misinterpreted, with the nurse thinking that you were asking about the tetanus/dip as opposed to the shot with further vaccines. Nonetheless, it meant that you weren't able to give properly informed consent.

    I'd make a (calm) complaint to the hospital so that at the very least, they are aware that this could be a potential issue... that if a patient or caregiver wants further information they should be giving that info as clearly as possible.

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    I haven't read all the replies but I don't believe there's a single tetanus shot available for kids or adults - it's ADT, adult diphtheria and tetanus. So I don't think anyone intentionally lied, that's just the formulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilkingMaid View Post
    I know that a lot of shots are given in combo, and I don't really like that too much, but if I were given a pop quiz on the spot about exactly which combinations were used in the schedule as of 20th of july 2014, I'd fail miserably, as I simply don't need to have that exact level of knowledge, as I don't actually get the majority of the shots given to my kids.

    When you have a kid in hospital, thinking about tetanus, I really don't think your exact vax knowledge is going to be at the forefront of your mind especially when diptheria isn't mentioned, and shots change all the time, as I said before, and different practices/hospitals sometimes give different versions of the shots. They need to be really CLEAR what they are injecting, the OP doesn't have ESP.

    Yes, it is good to get your knowledge when you are actively researching your decisions, but in a high stress situation, to give her a hard time about being 'uninformed about the exact shot at that exact time', is nothing short of b1tchy.
    I'd expect way better from you. This is a non vax thread, not a 'veiled attack a non vaxxer thread' by the vaxxers on the forum!

    Yeh vaxes do change all the time. I've had 5 kids since 1999 and every time I had a baby there was a new vax or something was changed.
    And like I said, last time I had anything to do with tetanus there was nothing else in it. I had a good dr then and she would have told me I feel pretty sure.
    @sky1 yeh sorry wasn't having a go at you at all, just pointing out how silly that it was not to say no, no such thing exists

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    Yes I would have been upset. I don't think this was informed consent. `If you stated `is that just tetanus' and they replied `Yes' then you were given incorrect information and were not properly informed.

    I would personally contact the patient liaison officer and make a complaint.

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    As a nurse and a vaccinator i'd put money on the ED nurse actually honestly thinking it only contained tetanus.
    I've vaxed loads of nurses who wouldn't have known it contained diphtheria.
    I'm not excusing her actions, she should know what a med is before it's administered but personally i think it may have been a (miseducated) honest mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BubblesK View Post
    As a nurse and a vaccinator i'd put money on the ED nurse actually honestly thinking it only contained tetanus.
    I've vaxed loads of nurses who wouldn't have known it contained diphtheria.
    I'm not excusing her actions, she should know what a med is before it's administered but personally i think it may have been a (miseducated) honest mistake.
    Hah! So it's fine for a NURSE to mistake the contents of a vax, but oh no, non-vaxxers who are simply parents doing their best, must have better knowledge than current health professionals...

    Agreeing with you BubblesK, possibly the nurse did make a mistake... unfortunate and very annoying, but it can happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilkingMaid View Post
    As an anti/selective vaxxer one of the last things on my mind is the exact combo of shots, becasue um.... my child doesn't get them!! Additionally, the combinations of shots seems to change at the drop of a hat, it is really the most irrelevant thing to bring up Delirium!

    The OP should definitely have been informed exactly what was in the shot.
    Yes she should have been told but as a delayed/ selective vaxer I know exactly what is in every shot as I know what and what I don't want my child to get - when devising my delayed plan with my GP we went over every vaccine, so I totally understand why some would think it strange a non vaxer would not know or research them prior , or be so blasé about it as OP seemed to be ( not having a go at OP just that it seemed like a casual conversation , whereas I would have been the opposite)

    the combinations actually have not changed much at all over the last 20 years - just once for the dtpa and more vaccines have just been added onto the schedule

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilkingMaid View Post

    Yes, it is good to get your knowledge when you are actively researching your decisions, but in a high stress situation, to give her a hard time about being 'uninformed about the exact shot at that exact time', is nothing short of b1tchy.
    I'd expect way better from you. This is a non vax thread, not a 'veiled attack a non vaxxer thread' by the vaxxers on the forum!
    I haven't been 'b*tchy' at all. Just put forth a pretty obvious (and I thought fair) point. I didn't even realise when I first posted that it was in this section and I've only continued to reply bc people keep quoting me. Bringing my conduct into question saying I'm being veiled b*tchy then being PA in your own posts is a little unfair. I feel I have not been nasty at all, just put an opinion out there that clashes with yours. Just bc my opinions don't agree with your anti/selected vax world view doesn't make me b*tchy.

    Anyway, I'll unsub just in case I get quoted again. It's a shame decent discussion is being shut down and name calling has taken it's place.

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