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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    oooh yes, this annoys the bejesus out of me. All these women saying they themselves haven't experienced sexism/discrimination so it must mean it doesn't exist. Urrrm the fact you can even work, or complete the degree you did, have the ability to use contraception to have as many or little children as you want, marry who you want... *coughs* yep that's feminism there
    Yes! I had to stop reading them because my brain was hurting.

    Jezebel has a 'Fixed that for you' page dedicated to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by JR03 View Post
    I can't help but think there is something missing from this story. I work in HR and myself and all of the other HR people I know (within my company and elsewhere) are very aware and risk-averse when it comes to anything that could lead to a discrimination claim. ANZ would have a huge, experienced HR team and I just can't imagine that we're getting the whole story.

    If I'm wrong though and the story has been accurately recounted, that is absolutely horrific treatment and is highly illegal.
    The big push at the moment is for HR to be more commercial and "business minded" for want of a better phase. Unfortunately that often means helping the business bend the rules rather than guiding them to adhering to them - by policing the business HR just gets taken out of the conversation.

    I was fired (because I wouldn't take a pay cut) when I was 5 months preg. HR worked with a law firm to figure out the least risky way to do it.

    At the end of the day it is one thing to have law on your side and another to have the means to enforce those laws. Federal Circuit Court (where employment matters are heard) is a no cost jurisdiction, which means each party is responsible for their own legal costs regardless of who wins. For me to bring a case against my ex employer was going to cost in excess of $100k in legal fees alone, let alone emotional duress etc. Even if I won, it was possible that I wouldn't even be awarded that much in damages so would still be out of pocket. I ended up settling out of court for a fairly meager amount.

    In this case I think she is playing them and doing a great job of it! (Not disputing that they discriminated against in the first place etc). This "pelvic exam" angle - ANZ denies a pelvic exam was requested - was sure to be picked up by the media, doing massive damage to ANZs reputation. ANZ will just want it to go away and will prob pay her more now. Good on her - I wish I was that savvy to beat them at their own nasty game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [Mod] Nomsie View Post
    It just highlights to me how much of a mans world we do still live in. The current trend of women who are using the hashtag 'women against feminism' and then giving the most ridiculous reason as to why they don't need it (which can all be countered with "YOU CAN DO THAT BECAUSE OF FEMINISM!! ) need only look at this case to realise how far we actually have to go
    Kitty Flanagan did a great segment about this on the project! You could prob google it

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    Quote Originally Posted by meredithgrey View Post
    I'm super confused.

    Why would ANZ even have a "company appointed gynaecologist" (and wouldn't we be calling them an obstetrician???) and what would a pelvic exam tell them precisely??

    I'm not too sure what the full/true story is but that article doesn't make sense......
    I'm not sure I believe there isn't more to it, but my understanding is she was wanting early maternity leave or work at home status bc her pg had become high risk. Given she had already taken them to court, I suspect they had a low tolerance for her and felt she was milking them. So demanded she be examined by the company gyno to 'prove' her claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I'm not sure I believe there isn't more to it, but my understanding is she was wanting early maternity leave or work at home status bc her pg had become high risk. Given she had already taken them to court, I suspect they had a low tolerance for her and felt she was milking them. So demanded she be examined by the company gyno to 'prove' her claims.
    This is my understanding too.

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    There is a lot of important information missing in this article. I think there is much more to this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I'm not sure I believe there isn't more to it, but my understanding is she was wanting early maternity leave or work at home status bc her pg had become high risk. Given she had already taken them to court, I suspect they had a low tolerance for her and felt she was milking them. So demanded she be examined by the company gyno to 'prove' her claims.
    Yep, this is what I thought after reading the whole article.

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    My work has tried to pull some sh|t that I thought no company would try. They're a big multinational.
    In the past few years:
    - announced my pregnancy when I hadn't told them I was pregnant
    - my boss shut me in a room and refused to let me leave by blocking the door despite me becoming hysterical and demanding he let me leave or let someone else in.
    - tried to remove a key part of my job (and the money that goes with it) while on maternity leave)
    - HR opted to ignore my emails reporting bullying
    - pursued me for a sick day when they knew I was doing IVF and I had a medical certificate for it.

    I finally kicked up enough of a stink the head of HR for the country got involved and conceded wrongs had been done.

    But as dodgy as they, and as much as they hate me, they were incredibly accommodating during pregnancy. I had bleeding with DD1 and they changed my roll and let me take a fair bit of time off. Though my boss did tell me off for sitting down when I was heavily pregnant!! Wtf??

    My point being as PPs have said they can be as dodgy as they like because in most cases it's too hard/expensive to fight them. Especially if you're in a high risk pregnancy.

    Whether there's more to it or not I still hope she wins. No one likes big banks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheekychook View Post
    I don't want to derail the thread but just wanted this. My workplace is currently going through a restructure via an external party. All the key people were interview by this guy. During my interview he openly asked 'so when are you planning your next baby?'.

    And then they wonder why I'm so anxious about keeping my job.

    Anyway, OP, this is terrible, that poor woman. I'd like to know what ANZ have to say.
    What the hell?? What did you say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harvs View Post
    There is a lot of important information missing in this article. I think there is much more to this...
    Like what? Other disciplinary action against the employee? (Genuine underperformance etc?)


 

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