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    Quote Originally Posted by NoteToSelf View Post
    I have a different take on it. I think it is unfair to have a child in full time formal education at 4.5, doing a national curriculum that is not written with 4.5 year olds in mind. QLD starts children at school earlier than any other state. I think it would have been different several years ago when prep was play based, but that is not the case now.

    It's not about getting an academic leg up, it is about wether kids are socially and emotionally ready at 4.5. There is no evidence that starting school so early is beneficial in any way, in fact evidence points to later school starting age as being beneficial.
    hi, I totally agree with you! I held my son back because he was not emotionally ready, certainly not so that he had an academic advantage over other children. In NSW, teachers will actually advise you to hold a boy back based on maturity etc. teachers at my daughters school, who don't even know my son, highly suggested holding back until 2015. What I find quite interesting is that in QLD prior to prep, your children started their FYOS at age 6 when entering year 1 - there was no prep year as there has been in NSW (kindergarten and compulsory) and all the other states. Why is 4.5 years suddenly deemed ok when previously you started at age 6 in QLD (correct if I'm wrong). I actually feel sorry for QLD parents if they are feeling forced to send their children to school early to fit some "norm".

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsboyts View Post
    I have taught prep in Qld and at the schools I have worked at parents that wish to keep their children back a year usually have to have assume sort of documentation from a specialist. We used to meet with the guidance officer and make the decisions.
    Thanks. I've had word from a QLD state school principal, that my son will have no problems entering prep and he will not require any documentation

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    I will be holding back regardless, we have moved around so much that I want him settled before sending him off to school. I don't really care if he's older than the other kids. What's the rush anyway? They are only little once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crankyoldcow View Post
    I agree with you on that playbased learning is important.

    However, Qld does not start children in formal learning earlier than every other state. They are now approximately aligned to both NSW, ACT and Vic at the least. Qld has a cut off date of turning 5 before June 30 to start that year, NSW has a cut off date of 31 July and Vic and the ACT have a cut off date of 30 April.
    I realise that QLD is now in line with the other states with regards to when children can start FYOS, but I've been interested in the discussion that there seems to be a higher proportion of children starting school in the 4.5-5 yr range (from various forums) as opposed to starting a little later and closer to 6 (also, many parents have had to give reasons to the school as to why they want to hold back) It is very accepted that children will start school closer to 6 than closer to 5 in NSW. Anyway, it's not a drama, it just seems that my son will be one of the oldest if he attends prep in QLD, as opposed to being of average age if starting kindergarten in NSW.

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    I have heard a rumor it will be compulsory fir children to start the year they turn 5 by June 30. In 2016. As they are finding to many parents are starting to hold their children back for no valid reason. Of course there will be exceptions. I would rather my child do 2 years of prep personally

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    Thanks for all the replies to my thread.

    For what it's worth, I think QLD had it right with regards to the age a child started school, pre 2007 - before the introduction of prep, when the FYOS was the year you turned 6 ( I think I have this right). Interestingly, most countries in the EU INC France, Germany, Denmark, Sweden and Finland have 6 years as the compulsory age for FYOS, and Finland has the highest academic outcomes in the EU. However, in the UK, children do start FYOS earlier, but many academics and educators in the UK, feel that children would do better and be better equipped learners if they were to start school later. It would be interesting to know what the stats were for repeating prep/kindergarten across the states, for children aged in the 4.5 - 5 age group?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crankyoldcow View Post
    I agree with you on that playbased learning is important.

    However, Qld does not start children in formal learning earlier than every other state. They are now approximately aligned to both NSW, ACT and Vic at the least. Qld has a cut off date of turning 5 before June 30 to start that year, NSW has a cut off date of 31 July and Vic and the ACT have a cut off date of 30 April.
    That is interesting. In my June 2010 DIG, the only kids who are starting school next year are the QLD kids, (we have members from ACT, NSW, Vic, Tas and SA), all the others are due to start in 2016.

    * I just saw you said April cut off...all our kids are born in May and June.

    My girlfriend is a prep teacher and my husband is a teacher, they both agree that two years of preschool are far preferable than repeating Prep or an early grade when children are aware of what repeating means.
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    Holding back is def not the norm in QLD. When I first started investigating everyone said it was impossible, the kids had to go straight to year 1, they needed to have a developmental delay etc etc. When I did my own investigating and spoke to the Principal of the school we are going to I found the complete opposite. He just said that in Qld, they have to be enrolled in school by age 6 otherwise you are breaking the law.

    I feel really strongly that parents know best when it comes to school readiness, my son is academically ready absolutely, but I know that another year at home and preschool will give him more confidence, social maturity and emotional intelligence. Really important things to me when I think of him navigating adolescence in high school and making good decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoteToSelf View Post
    Holding back is def not the norm in QLD. When I first started investigating everyone said it was impossible, the kids had to go straight to year 1, they needed to have a developmental delay etc etc. When I did my own investigating and spoke to the Principal of the school we are going to I found the complete opposite. He just said that in Qld, they have to be enrolled in school by age 6 otherwise you are breaking the law.

    I feel really strongly that parents know best when it comes to school readiness, my son is academically ready absolutely, but I know that another year at home and preschool will give him more confidence, social maturity and emotional intelligence. Really important things to me when I think of him navigating adolescence in high school and making good decisions.
    I couldn't agree more. Sounds like its very much the principle of the school who drives the pro or anti delay stance

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    It is, I have friends who have kids going to private schools wanting to delay and it is such a mixed bag of responses, from one principal watching her child for 5 minutes in the school interview and saying he is ready and won't approve delaying to another one at another school saying he encourages everyone to delay!

    The EQ policy is clear though, so state school principals should all be going off that. And at the end of the day if you just turn up the following year to enrol, there is not much they can do when EQ explicitly states children must start in prep not in year 1.

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