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    I reckon it is a dodgy agency - screwed everyone around. Sad outcome though

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    Quote Originally Posted by meredithgrey View Post
    If the biological parents were carrying the pregnancy and chose termination (which they did request) then it would have been sad but no one would have battled a eyelid (no disrespect to parents/family members of people with Down Sydrome, I don't envy anyone who has to make those decisions).

    However its a very difficult position where the surrogate is saying no (right to her own body - acceptable) but its biological parents are saying to terminate.
    A father who impregnates a woman who then refuses to terminate still has to an obligation to financially support the baby. As does this Australian couple. It's a terrible situation but what makes it so bad is if the Aussie couple did know about the little boy and left him in Thailand with a woman who has no obligations to look after him.

    I'm starting to think it might be the agency but I'm still not sure. Such a sad story.

    Did anyone else see that the story is going to be on the 7pm project tonight? Hopefully the press will help look after this bubba and his surrogate mum.

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    The difference between a man impregnating a woman and a surrogacy arrangement is that the former isn't (generally speaking) a contractual arrangement whereas the latter is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meredithgrey View Post
    Apparently the Indian contracts do legally enforce a termination if medically indicated. (Whether or not T21 is a medical indication for termination is of course up for debate and for a different thread).

    I find the whole surrogacy thing fraught with risks. What if the surrogate mother wants to smoke cigarettes, drink, use drugs, refuse medical intervention for the benefit of the baby (monitoring, medications, hospital admissions antenatally, induction, caesarean etc)???? How is an "ideal pregnancy" legally enforced?
    I'm pretty sure that they do too. Pretty sure I saw that on telly the other night with the Dr Patel story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NancyBlackett View Post
    The difference between a man impregnating a woman and a surrogacy arrangement is that the former isn't (generally speaking) a contractual arrangement whereas the latter is.
    Actually sounds very reasonable. However all contracts might be legal but this doesn't help the surrogate who's now looking after someone else's baby.

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    I'm not sure how they go about enforcing contractual terms in surrogacy.

    I just think it's important to draw the distinction between 'ordinary' pregnancies when a woman has a choice to decide whether to terminate a pregnancy and a surrogacy arrangement that is effectively governed by the contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Best Things View Post
    Actually sounds very reasonable. However all contracts might be legal but this doesn't help the surrogate who's now looking after someone else's baby.
    It raises a very interesting question though, doesn't it?

    Whose baby is it if she has breached the terms of the contract by not terminating when the parents have said they wanted the pregnancy terminated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfish30 View Post
    An alternative could be that the agency told the woman one story and the couples different one, for instance
    This could have happened but they are still horrible people in that they paid a woman living in poverty to use her body...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NancyBlackett View Post
    It raises a very interesting question though, doesn't it?

    Whose baby is it if she has breached the terms of the contract by not terminating when the parents have said they wanted the pregnancy terminated?
    Yes... A very large grey area. I have a feeling this is going to lead to some very tough new surrogacy changes in Thailand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfish30 View Post
    Or maybe the couple thought that they were helping someone financially who already had children of her own and really needed it.
    Hogwash. If they really wanted to help they could have made a donation. They took advantage of a woman's poverty and used it for their own gain. This is the same as parents who adopt kids from 'poor' countries acting like martyrs. If they seriously want to help give the poor parents money so they can raise thief own damn kid:

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