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    Default OMG I agree with TA

    *insert shocked face here*

    Quote from TA, speaking to reporters in Canada about his proposed PPL :

    ''Let's not forget that this is a policy we took not to one but to two elections and let's not forget that this is fundamentally a matter of justice for the women of our country, for the mothers and for the parents of our country,'' he said at a media conference.

    ''Why should people be paid at their real wage when they go on holidays, when they take long service leave, when they have sick leave and then be paid effectively a welfare wage when they go on parental leave?

    ''It just doesn't make sense and it is my fundamental conviction that parental leave is not a welfare entitlement, it's a workplace entitlement, and that's why I'm sticking with the policy we've got.''

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    Fair enough but I don't think they should cut funding to health and education to fund it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluckcluck View Post
    Fair enough but I don't think they should cut funding to health and education to fund it.
    I don't think they do anyway.
    But yes I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExcuseMyFrench View Post
    *insert shocked face here*

    Quote from TA, speaking to reporters in Canada about his proposed PPL :

    ''Let's not forget that this is a policy we took not to one but to two elections and let's not forget that this is fundamentally a matter of justice for the women of our country, for the mothers and for the parents of our country,'' he said at a media conference.

    ''Why should people be paid at their real wage when they go on holidays, when they take long service leave, when they have sick leave and then be paid effectively a welfare wage when they go on parental leave?

    ''It just doesn't make sense and it is my fundamental conviction that parental leave is not a welfare entitlement, it's a workplace entitlement, and that's why I'm sticking with the policy we've got.''

    But long service sick leavr, sick leave and holidays are funded by the employer not the government. PPL is funded by the government and, as such, PPL is not a work place entitlement it is a welfare entitlement.

    I ask you why is the baby of say a teacher on $80k worth more than the baby of a farmer whose been in drought for 2 years and had next to no income, or the baby of a checkout operator?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkingClassMum View Post
    But long service sick leavr, sick leave and holidays are funded by the employer not the government. PPL is funded by the government and, as such, PPL is not a work place entitlement it is a welfare entitlement.

    I ask you why is the baby of say a teacher on $80k worth more than the baby of a farmer whose been in drought for 2 years and had next to no income, or the baby of a checkout operator?
    I agree with this.



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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkingClassMum View Post
    But long service sick leavr, sick leave and holidays are funded by the employer not the government. PPL is funded by the government and, as such, PPL is not a work place entitlement it is a welfare entitlement.

    I ask you why is the baby of say a teacher on $80k worth more than the baby of a farmer whose been in drought for 2 years and had next to no income, or the baby of a checkout operator?
    Nobody is saying that any baby is worth more. This is just propaganda that papers like the Herald Sun uses and then the masses cling onto it. Are we a communist country? Does every person get the same income? Does that mean that some people are "worth" more than others? No.

    It's about maintaining the financial status quo so women can take time off work. If they don't have enough income to pay their usual bills and buy food, they will have to return to work while baby is very young.

    It's just basis economics which unfortunately most people can't grasp. Far easier to say it's unfair without fully understanding why.

    I have posted links about the reasons why replacement wage is required (and why most OECD countries do it this way) but I suspect most don't read them.

    Not sure why anyone would think Australia is being "fair" by giving everyone a flat rate while other OECD countries do replacement wage. We are hardly global thought leaders in this area. We are laggers.

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    @WorkingClassMum I quoted you but my response was intended as general to everyone who has that view, not just you

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    In case anyone is interested note how it references workforce entitlement, not workplace entitlement. Very different things.

    Of the 34 countries in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), 33 offer paid parental leave schemes. Of these 33 countries, Australia is one of only two that fails to pay leave based on a replacement wage. By offering only minimum wage, Australia is left economically behind its major OECD competitors. Due to this, we risk the productivity gains that come from greater participation by women in the paid workforce. There‟s no doubt, a ready way to increase Australia‟s productivity is to increase the participation (part-time and full-time) of women in the paid workforce which is why paid parental leave is an economic driver and should be a workforce entitlement, not a welfare payment.

    http://lpaweb-static.s3.amazonaws.com/The%20Coalition’s%20Policy%20for%20Paid%20Parent al%20Leave.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    Nobody is saying that any baby is worth more. This is just propaganda that papers like the Herald Sun uses and then the masses cling onto it. Are we a communist country? Does every person get the same income? Does that mean that some people are "worth" more than others? No.

    It's about maintaining the financial status quo so women can take time off work. If they don't have enough income to pay their usual bills and buy food, they will have to return to work while baby is very young.

    It's just basis economics which unfortunately most people can't grasp. Far easier to say it's unfair without fully understanding why.

    I have posted links about the reasons why replacement wage is required (and why most OECD countries do it this way) but I suspect most don't read them.

    Not sure why anyone would think Australia is being "fair" by giving everyone a flat rate while other OECD countries do replacement wage. We are hardly global thought leaders in this area. We are laggers.
    Very well said, kw. I agree totally.

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    Without comparing to other countries etc, the employer provides paid mat leave at current wages (of course this will differ depending on workplace). What the govt gives is a bonus. Ppl at "welfare wages" is very generous. Seem like people are still not satisfied and just want more. I also agree why should a person on higher income get more. Al and lsl is accrued while you work so it makes sense for it be at your current wage.

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