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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly39 View Post
    Hold on, other subsections of the community are required to undergo rigorous medical assessments, be drug tested, breath tested, and personality/intelligence tested at work so why not for the dole? Peeing in a cup actually isn't a big deal if you don't use drugs, which are illegal anyhow. I actually think that is fair. I also think its a good idea considering we currently have an out of control ice problem. I'm not saying it will fix the problem necessarily but it may be a deterrent, which I think if you look at what's happening in some communities is going to be worthwhile, especially if a positive test is followed by an intervention such as referral to ATODS, counselling or the like. Could this prevent some people ruining their lives with criminal records and going through drug court? Possibly... It certainly means you might come to the attention of authorities sooner which might stop you changing your life instead of being forced into rehab by drug court.

    As most people on the dole actually don't use drugs, the early trial has shown, I think it is important to remember that this intervention is really only targeted at a small subsection of the community that *might* benefit long term.
    ^^^ couldn't agree more.

    Both DH and I are routinely drug & alcohol tested at our places io employment!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilkingMaid View Post
    .....Wheras now if they fail the test they have to pay for the test out of their benefit - (over $100 usually)
    I wasn't aware of this.

    I come from a VERY low socio economic region where there is a huge drug problem. BBC World once dubbed the town 'Cannabis Capital of the World' it has one of the highest rates of Meth users also. I am yet to hear of anyone losing their benefit when they fail a test.

    It would never work, the repercussions would be a greater burden on society.

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    I totally disagree with this on so many levels. I find it very interesting though, that they are targeting newstart recipients. If you are a chronic drug addict or alcoholic then you can qualify for disability payments. I have always thought that was a problem, because it is literally like "You have alcoholism, here have some money". No requirements to get help or rehab. If they truly wanted to help people with an addiction,they would say, "here is disability - but you have to meet certain requirements, rehab etc". One of the things that is so frightening about addiction, is that usually by the time someone desperately needs rehab, they are not functioning any more - therefore they have no money, to get a government place in rehab is almost impossible and to go to the private rehabs places, well they are pretty much out of reach cost wise for most people. The whole system needs a complete overhaul.

    If this is a case of removing payment for drug addicted people, do people honesty think that drug users would "think twice". No, they won't, this will just open the way for more crime so the users can get the money to pay for their habits. Very badly thought out indeed.

    As to pps post about this not being about parenting. It is though, more than likely at least one of us (probably lots more) will one day go through drug and alcohol issues with our kids. This is a community issue and we have every right to talk about the ramifications. I don't do IVF, so I have never once looked in the IVF section. Easy.

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    What tends to happen when people who use drugs know they will be drug tested is that they tend to just use other substances which are not illegal or not tested for. So they drink more alcohol or use something like cough syrup or something that wont be picked up, but is not necessarily any better for them or create any less problems for society.

    ETA weirdly enough I got that info from the drug testing education we had at my old work when we were drug tested.

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    Why not I say? If your caught with drugs your money should be given to you in vouchers for shops not given as cash . People who think it's wrong probably do drugs lol

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    I agree with previous posters. If they really cared about the dole recipients, they'd be introducing a system like the NT. Part payment cash & part payment on card/ basically a gift voucher that can only be spent at certain shops.

    While it would not illuminate drug use, it would curb it, and give people a chance to WANT help.

    It would also not be any inconvenience to dole recipients who DONT use drugs.
    Just a different method of paying things.

    I think if they want it to work, a person with a positive reading should not have their payments cut, but instead attend mandatory rehabilitation programs.

    If they fail to attend or miss a session, take PART of the payment, this would increase attendance and be of more assistance in the long run.

    Is anyone else not surprised the government doesn't want to be funding drugs? I'm not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elle92 View Post
    Why not I say? If your caught with drugs your money should be given to you in vouchers for shops not given as cash . People who think it's wrong probably do drugs lol
    That's a rather naive view to have on the topic!

    I wonder how much a scheme like this would cost to implement? Would it even be financially viable?
    Would the scheme impact parents on the dole who are studying or working but need the dole to supplement their income? Would they be expected to forgo work/study commitments to do so?
    If a parent is found to have taken drugs and loses their payments, what happens to the child when there is no money for food, rent, and other living expenses?


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    I've never done any drugs in my life. But I do know people on Newstart, who are top of their field academics who got made redundant after universities decided to cost cut, they are in their 50s and 60s and are women and are finding it very tough to get any job. I assure you, they aren't drug addicts. Pretty ignorant comment, how embarrassing for you.

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    Why not I say? If your caught with drugs your money should be given to you in vouchers for shops not given as cash . People who think it's wrong probably do drugs lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elle92 View Post
    People who think it's wrong probably do drugs lol
    Wowsers I think you are way off the mark there lol

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