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    What is the point of this policy, without a huge increase in funds available for the treatment of ATOD issues.

    I work in community health, in a regional area with an increasing Ice problem. We are losing funding for drug counselling services, there is no local residential detox.

    The extra burden on emergency relief charities would be huge, and the increase in crime.

    Stupid, ill-thought out idea.

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    I thought this was a Pregnancy and Parenting Forum. Threads like this tend to isolate people like me who are not "anti-government". Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bugsy View Post
    What is the point of this policy, without a huge increase in funds available for the treatment of ATOD issues.
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    Perhaps the governments idea is to 'win back Aussie voters' by cutting out the few instances where people are using taxpayers money to fund their drug habits?
    (Not saying I agree with the policy!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombie_eyes View Post
    So more addicts will break into peoples houses at night kill the occupants in a drug induced psychoviolent manner to steal their stuff to pay for drugs

    An elderly couple recently just got beaten to death for this reason.

    Awesome.
    In theory I like the idea but this is exactly what will happen.

    In NZ it is done as part of a recruitment process if you are short listed for a job that requires drug and alcohol testing. It's not like you have to rock up to WINZ (equivalent of Centre link) every fortnight and pee in a cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    Let's face it this government is not introducing this because it cares deeply about the ice problem or drug addiction generally. If it did it wouldn't slash funding for mental health and hospitals.

    This is purely and simply a way to cut benefits from a sector in society that needs support and help. Simply taking away money will not overnight stop their drug addiction without proper support facilities. I don't know what they do in NZ but I imagine there is an holistic approach to this yet it's still ineffective.

    If this was part of a genuine package of drug reforms I wouldn't be so cynical.
    This sums up how I feel. As with all this party's policies this is so pathetically transparent. This has nothing to do with fixing the drug problem in our country. It's about once again targeting the poorest and making it as embarrassing and unpalatable as possible to access payments. Bc cmon people will all know everyone on the dole are just lazy, good for nothing drug addicts.

    You can hardly compare drug testing when using heavy machinery, which you agree to when you accept this dangerous job. I've had lots of jobs in different sectors and never once had any form of drug test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J37 View Post
    I thought this was a Pregnancy and Parenting Forum. Threads like this tend to isolate people like me who are not "anti-government". Just saying.

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    You don't need to reply or read the thread though. Before Abbott got in, the Labor govt were proverbially beaten with sticks constantly on this forum. Sure it's a parenting forum, but this is in the current affairs section. There are oodles of non parenting topics on here.

    VP asked what others thought. Many don't agree with it.

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    Vote buying. A lot of people would like the idea of this policy.

    If it were drug testing then re-directing people into detox/counselling etc (which of course would need lots more funding) that would be one thing. But cutting off the benefits just shows it for a vote buying exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ngaiz View Post

    In NZ it is done as part of a recruitment process if you are short listed for a job that requires drug and alcohol testing. It's not like you have to rock up to WINZ (equivalent of Centre link) every fortnight and pee in a cup.

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    It's my understanding that people used to take recreational drugs on benefits in NZ, and then if they failed the drug test for the job they were going for, would say "Oh well what a shame!" Wheras now if they fail the test they have to pay for the test out of their benefit - (over $100 usually)

    Only about 20 - 40% of jobs in NZ actually require drug testing, so it doesn't affect everyone.

    If you fail a drug test, or if you refuse to have a drug test or to apply for a job that requires a drug test, you'll be subject to a sanction (penalty). The first time you fail a drug test your benefit will be cut by half. The full benefit will be reinstated if you agree to stop using drugs (this is called “re-complying”). If you haven't “re-complied” within four weeks after your benefit was cut, your benefit will be cut completely, until you do re-comply.If you fail a drug test again within twelve months, the penalty will be more severe: your benefit will be cut completely and you'll be able to have it reinstated only by undertaking to pass an additional drug test within 25 working days (this allows time for the drugs to pass through your system), and also undertaking to provide Work and Income, within 30 working days after giving the undertaking, with evidence that you've passed the test.


    I'll be in this boat, being on the DPB (sole parent) as I've often had jobs requiring drug testing, but as always, it means nothing to me as I don't take drugs. Just routine. Pretty sure if you fail a test, they are NOT interested in getting you into a drug program here. They just say you have to stop or else. Very enlightened.
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    How do people afford drugs on Newstart?

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    I don't know but where I work, most of the overdoses I see are people on income support payments (whether Newstart or Disability) so obviously people make it work somehow.


 

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