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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    With total respect here, pre school teachers are not dietians, nor should they be in a place to decide what they deem a 'worthy' reason for a treat. In amongst the healthy sandwich, heaps of fruit and yoghurt, I may send a snack sized packet of chips. I'm the parent. I should get that choice. As to signing the policies, parents will sign anything to get their kids in given the huge waiting lists. The pre schools know that and use it imo.

    As I said earlier, common sense should prevail. Obviously a lunch box packed with sugar and rubbish every day of pre school is not good, and probably warrants a gentle word with parents. But I believe in moderation in food, and ultimately I'm the parent. I don't do it out of laziness or lack of information as you say. I do it bc I was raised by a parent that was overly strict with food and I think it's not a good thing.

    One packet of snack sized Thins in amongst healthy food is not going to hurt them. And if their lunch contains a vast majority of good food, as the parent I should be able to send that.
    No I am not a dietitian, nor are most parents, which is why professional guidelines are published by dietitians for children's services to follow. Which is where the salt, sugar, fat content limits come from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elijahs Mum View Post
    I don't have school aged kids yet so honestly don't know the guidelines but this is where I get lost - the ingredients in BBQ sakatas are atrocious

    INGREDIENTS: Rice 93%, vegetable oil, sugar, 3 flavour enhancers 621 627 631, hydrolysed vegetable protein, flavour, spices, salt, garlic, mineral salt 341, onion powder, worchestershire powder, anti-caking agents 504, partially- hydrogenated soy oil, acidity regulator 330.

    There is no way msg and partially hydrogenated soy oil could be put on a healthy list for kids?
    I agree with you about the BBQ sakatas which is why we don't eat them in our household and usually only recommend plain, the plain ones were recommended by our immunologist as a fairly good choice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elijahs Mum View Post
    I don't have school aged kids yet so honestly don't know the guidelines but this is where I get lost - the ingredients in BBQ sakatas are atrocious

    INGREDIENTS: Rice 93%, vegetable oil, sugar, 3 flavour enhancers 621 627 631, hydrolysed vegetable protein, flavour, spices, salt, garlic, mineral salt 341, onion powder, worchestershire powder, anti-caking agents 504, partially- hydrogenated soy oil, acidity regulator 330.

    There is no way msg and partially hydrogenated soy oil could be put on a healthy list for kids?
    This is why the guidelines are so abhorrently ridiculous. I agree with you, they're a crap food. They would never be part of our normal diet. Desperate times call for desperate measures...but how they pass but a snack made primarily from dates got sent home as being 'unhealthy' because it 'looked like junk food' is a freaking joke. I had my cranky pants on when they told me this too...I now just write the ingredients I used down to avoid confusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hootenanny View Post
    No I am not a dietitian, nor are most parents, which is why professional guidelines are published by dietitians for children's services to follow. Which is where the salt, sugar, fat content limits come from.
    But the guidelines are full of holes, thus the Sakata example. I couldn't send my child with an oat bar bc it was in a packet, yet i can send Rice biscuits full of additives and MSG which were also packaged? At our pre school the rules made no sense either. My DS had the same lunch and recess every day at pre school bc the list of what they were allowed to have was so tiny. It was either low fat yoghurt (which ironically is full of sugar), fruit, vege sticks, a sandwich or cheese. That was all that was allowed. I thought it funny that an occasional muesli bar was seen as rubbish but they happily let kids bring that highly processed cheese spread.

    I'm not a dietitian. I'm their mother though, I should have final say.

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    I suppose you really can't win - id much prefer DS to take a homemade chocolate cookie with full fat butter/ milk and no additives than preservative laden sakatas!

    Are these guidelines just for daycare/ pre school or for primary schools as well??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerilee View Post
    @Hootenanny

    Just wondering if a child brings a full fat yoghurt e.g greek yoghurt with shredded coconut do you consider that against the guidelines?

    A low fat vanilla yoghurt would have considerably more sugar than the above option (the low fat option has 21g of sugar per 200g more than the greek yoghurt).

    See I would send my child with the above option as I consider sugar to be the problem rather than fat (and I have research articles to back me up). In that as sugar intake increases so does risk of heart disease etc.

    I make coconut cupcakes for my kids that have zero fructose in them and are full of fibre and healthy fats, yet you would ban them for a low fat commercial snack item.

    Anyway I am so glad I my kids are at school and this is no longer an issue for me.
    I would consider the full fat greek yogurt with coconut a healthy choice and likewise would be fine with the homemade coconut cupcakes. I am pretty sure most the yoghurt would fit the guidelines and unless it was obviously 'unhealthy' ie chocolate flavoured, high in sugar etc for the most part we wouldn't even check those types of things.
    With homemade, likewise, unless it was obviously loaded with chocolate/lollies etc we would accept it, as we wouldn't have access to nutritional info to check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elijahs Mum View Post
    I suppose you really can't win - id much prefer DS to take a homemade chocolate cookie with full fat butter/ milk and no additives than preservative laden sakatas!

    Are these guidelines just for daycare/ pre school or for primary schools as well??
    Thankfully our public primary uses common sense. I send my kids chips or tiny teddies sometimes, not a word has been spoken. Although I know a few of the parents whose kids that just bring crap every single day have been spoken to.

    It's the way it should be. They intervene when clearly the child is bringing nothing but rubbish but allow parents to send what they want within reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elijahs Mum View Post
    I suppose you really can't win - id much prefer DS to take a homemade chocolate cookie with full fat butter/ milk and no additives than preservative laden sakatas!

    Are these guidelines just for daycare/ pre school or for primary schools as well??
    I feel exactly the same as you.

    My kids are in primary school and there are guidelines for the school (I think), but at our school they aren't policed.

    Oh the school is nut free, which I always 100% adhere to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elijahs Mum View Post
    I suppose you really can't win - id much prefer DS to take a homemade chocolate cookie with full fat butter/ milk and no additives than preservative laden sakatas!

    Are these guidelines just for daycare/ pre school or for primary schools as well??
    The plain sakatas are rice, vegetable oil and salt, what is in the chocolate you are putting in the cookies?

    ETA - these guidelines are for children's services, schools may have their own

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    At DS kinder they are only allowed fruit or vegetable as snacks. That's it! Anything else is sent home uneaten. It's a rule, and not that hard to follow IMO. If he really needs a treat, he can have one at home. I quite like the policy, it's just unfortunate that it goes out the window once kids get to prep. I'm a prep teacher and the amount of cr@p they bring in their lunch boxes is unbelievable!!!


 

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