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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Wait, I'm confused, so have they backed out of their promise that current students have until 2020 to finish their degree under the current fee structure or did they change their minds (again).

    If they have changed their minds I would have to seriously reconsider my decision to get my degree, the current fees is a debt that I find stressful enough as it is.
    http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/con...4/s4008884.htm

    I think for those of us that started before May 2014, we will continue with the current fee structure.
    It appears Abbott lied about those starting degrees between May 2014 and 2016 and what fees they would be subjected to.


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    Did anyone see the "single parents and the budget cuts" segment on the morning show?

    Some dude was on there saying people shouldn't complain about the tax benefit cuts, they shouldn't expect or need government assistance to raise their kids. If needs they can go out and pick fruit.

    There was a chick on there, I don't know her name but she was very articulate. She responded that sometimes people through whatever reasons don't have much money, she said "....so are you saying only rich people can have kids? Having kids is a basic human right."

    The dude disagreed that having kids was a basic human right and said people should put themselves in a position where they can afford to have kids before they do so. The chick replied "but circumstances can change. I was married when I had kids, husband earned a good wage then that ended. I was lucky enough that I had a good education and could go out and get a good job. What if someone's hubby died?".

    Anyway I'm paraphrasing a bit but the chick was very impressive. It's a pity her spiel wasn't in the evening prime time because then her audience would have been those other than stay at home parents... She might have changed some minds and made a difference.

    That being said the dude had *some* validity to his points. I think ideally people should be in a good financial position before they have kids. Ie if you are 20, not in the best financial position and consciously start a family before you have studied/set yourself up ....then I don't think it's right for you to expect a continual handouts to help raise your kids. I'm not saying there's a large number that fit into this category. Of course with age can come difficulties conceiving so there's got to be a line somewhere, I'm not sure where though.

    And I agree that having kids is a basic human right. However I don't think it's a basic human right to have a huge family (4+ kids?) when you need significant government assistance to do it. I'm not saying large families are bad and shouldn't receive some help... Just that I don't think they can complain too much with the current budget cuts (FTB b etc).

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    My uni actually announced that those accepting offers after 13th May won't be affected by price increase. So will be treated same as current students. I'm doing a language now and was planning to do a post grad in teaching. I won't be finished my diploma till 2017 so I won't be doing my post grad anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProudMumma34 View Post
    My uni actually announced that those accepting offers after 13th May won't be affected by price increase. So will be treated same as current students. I'm doing a language now and was planning to do a post grad in teaching. I won't be finished my diploma till 2017 so I won't be doing my post grad anymore.
    That sucks that you won't be doing your teaching anymore. How much would it cost you before and after the budget changes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarvestMoon View Post
    http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/con...4/s4008884.htm

    I think for those of us that started before May 2014, we will continue with the current fee structure.
    It appears Abbott lied about those starting degrees between May 2014 and 2016 and what fees they would be subjected to.


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    If they accepted an offer before 13 May 2014 then its charged at current rates, but if you haven't accepted an offer yet (whether you intend to defer or not), the fees will go up from 2016.

    I'm unsure what was promised about those starting between 2014 and 2016 (as it depends if they accepted an offer or not) They probably used some unfair creative wording to lie, but not appear to be lying (as they have done this whole budget campaign!)

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    The problem is, this government has can't have it both ways. TA has made it clear time and time again that he is anti abortion under any circumstances. So which is. Have kids under any circumstances? Or is it ok to terminate if you can't afford it? Or should people in long term relationships abstain completely from sex because they can't afford to have another child. And lets face no contraception is 100% effective. I am living proof of that. Unless we are talking full hysterectomies, which are not covered under medicare unless for medical reasons (not wanting a pregnancy ever again is not included in that).

    Personally, we did not plan a 4th - we certainly didn't plan twins either, my plan was a nice family of 2. But things happen. Life happens and sometimes with the best of intentions women fall pregnant when they can' really afford it or whatever. What about my friend with triplets -went for one, had 3, seriously - should she suffer a life of poverty because her body didn't make one but three?

    At the end of the day, those that need help to get by should get it. If we look at countries that have no social security or safety nets, compared with the countries that do, the answer is clear. Those that don't have huge social issues, huge, huge crime, huge poverty etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Did anyone see the "single parents and the budget cuts" segment on the morning show?

    Some dude was on there saying people shouldn't complain about the tax benefit cuts, they shouldn't expect or need government assistance to raise their kids. If needs they can go out and pick fruit.

    There was a chick on there, I don't know her name but she was very articulate. She responded that sometimes people through whatever reasons don't have much money, she said "....so are you saying only rich people can have kids? Having kids is a basic human right."

    The dude disagreed that having kids was a basic human right and said people should put themselves in a position where they can afford to have kids before they do so. The chick replied "but circumstances can change. I was married when I had kids, husband earned a good wage then that ended. I was lucky enough that I had a good education and could go out and get a good job. What if someone's hubby died?".

    Anyway I'm paraphrasing a bit but the chick was very impressive. It's a pity her spiel wasn't in the evening prime time because then her audience would have been those other than stay at home parents... She might have changed some minds and made a difference.

    That being said the dude had *some* validity to his points. I think ideally people should be in a good financial position before they have kids. Ie if you are 20, not in the best financial position and consciously start a family before you have studied/set yourself up ....then I don't think it's right for you to expect a continual handouts to help raise your kids. I'm not saying there's a large number that fit into this category. Of course with age can come difficulties conceiving so there's got to be a line somewhere, I'm not sure where though.

    And I agree that having kids is a basic human right. However I don't think it's a basic human right to have a huge family (4+ kids?) when you need significant government assistance to do it. I'm not saying large families are bad and shouldn't receive some help... Just that I don't think they can complain too much with the current budget cuts (FTB b etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    That being said the dude had *some* validity to his points. I think ideally people should be in a good financial position before they have kids. Ie if you are 20, not in the best financial position and consciously start a family before you have studied/set yourself up ...
    I can see how this has validity, however, studying at 18 isn't for everyone. I am 37 this year and still have no idea what I want to *be*. There is no way I would have gotten through a degree at 18, I didn't have any idea what I wanted to do, and I also didn't have the maturity for it. I am studying now, I really enjoying it, and I'm doing well with my grades, a far cry from the 18 year old me.

    On the other hand, a friend of mine who studied madly after school and graduated an electrical engineer earning the big bucks, ended up despising her job within a few years and went back to re-train as a music teacher. Seriously - what a waste of a degree, what a waste of money.


    There is just no one size fits all to these things, I noticed that PP was saying that some people scrimp save and never travel ever and they deserve more because of it. I disagree, travel and seeing how other cultures live I personally think is SO important and educational. It forces you to get out of our insular comfortable lives, and yes, Australia is very insular, we are so far removed from the rest of the world it is actually amazing, and something you just don't realise until you go other places.

    Of course this is true with other things, some people think degrees in English Lit are a waste of time, others think they are relevant and important.

    We are all different, we can't all be engineers or Lawyers - and a good thing I say

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    My post is not budget related but I didn't want to start a thread over it or anything and didn't know where else to put it.

    Julia Gillard, along with Barack Obama, most admired figures 2013 voted by Australians! Well well well!

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226934536841

    Congrats to JG. Thoroughly deserving imo just based solely on her own merit and despite the effect of the PM we have now on her reputation.

    Sorry, as you were.....

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    Oh no peppa. Poor pepper is a victim of the budget too.

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    So now Pyne is thinking of making HECs debts from deceased people be paid out of their estate. So now, not only do people actually have to make a decision whether or not to do it because it may be actually unaffordable, but now you also have to hope that you don't die because then your widow/children will suffer - as if it isn't bad enough losing a parent.

    Why don't we just go the whole hog an introduce a death tax as well.

    Worst....Government....ever.

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