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    They also pay far more for contractors, they pay the contractors a wage, plus the agency a weekly "fee" which is often the same amount as the persons wage. It makes no economical sense whatsoever.

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    or, when there is a hiring freeze what happens its that funds are rustled up to hire casuals or temp staff, because the work still needs to be done. My friend manages a large section in a federal govt department and what's going on is absolutely farcical. They have people on non-renewable 3 month contracts because they can't hire permanent staff. So she has a team of people who can't be bothered putting in a decent day's work because they know they will be out the door in 3 months. Then they all leave and she has a new batch of short term staff who couldn't care less about the job. Similar things happen in my workplace (local govt) Cuts to the public service are an absolute joke- ive ever seen how it ever actually saves real money.

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    How do you know? Do you have costings for each department? By combining departments do you mean reduce the staff? So you have half the staff doing twice the work? How will that work - it terms of being efficient and cost effective?

    I know you have these strong opinions and views about things VP. I am struggling to work out why though, you clearly don't have any costings for any department, and I'm sure you don't actually know what goes on in them, but you think they should be disbanded, combined and cut. You need to stop getting your information from Alan Jones and actually do some unbiased research.

    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Of course the public service keeps things ticking....That doesn't mean we need to have a department or office for everything.... Functions should be consolidated within like minded departments to save on management red tape (I seriously hope that no one is going to argue that there is no wastage or inefficiency in the public service....).
    - Perhaps when I am PM I might open an office of Flatulence Avoidance.

    Yep just because you can ... And just because some people may benefit... doesn't mean you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    How do you know? Do you have costings for each department? By combining departments do you mean reduce the staff? So you have half the staff doing twice the work? How will that work - it terms of being efficient and cost effective?

    I know you have these strong opinions and views about things VP. I am struggling to work out why though, you clearly don't have any costings for any department, and I'm sure you don't actually know what goes on in them, but you think they should be disbanded, combined and cut. You need to stop getting your information from Alan Jones and actually do some unbiased research.
    By combining departments I mean reduce the paper pushing management overhead ... As well as any unnecessary functions which may exist (eg 10 people allocated to writing a policy on something that is not useful) ... So that there can be more people doing the frontline real useful work. I have many friends in the public service and if people think that despite the lean times there is not fat to be cut then they are kidding themselves.

    Do you have the costings for each department? How do you know that having a separate department for each brain fart is the most efficient way of doing things? Or are naysayers the only ones that have to research I facts and figures?

    Btw my father lives Alan jones.. I, on the other hand, do not
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    I think looking at waste and trying to rectify it is a good thing, but I also think this government is going the wrong way about it by implying that public servants are lazy and wasteful and further ostracising the country's most vulnerable, while politicians are only taking a wage freeze for one year and temporarily increasing taxes for the wealthy.

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    Interesting article about austerity measures in Greece.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-9142274.html

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    Australia is a long way from Greece or even Spain. However yes severe austerity is bringing a terrible toll on people

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    (eg 10 people allocated to writing a policy on something that is not useful)
    The public service carries out a myriad of services - from road making to providing mental health care professionals, defence force etc (I'm talking all levels of public service obviously). It would be very common for a large number of people to be involved when it comes to any official document of a public service (or any large organisation). Depending on what it is you need a number of Subject Matter Experts (SME). It is best practice where any such document is being prepared to have it drafted and reviewed by a number of SMEs to ensure quality rather than having the onus all on one person who may not be an expert in some of the minutiae. Then it might need to be reviewed by legal experts as senior management.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Do you have the costings for each department? How do you know that having a separate department for each brain fart is the most efficient way of doing things? Or are naysayers the only ones that have to research I facts and figures?
    It really a case of 'been there, done that'. This is not the first time there have been major cuts to the public service. And it is happening exactly like before.

    Huge cuts (some of which there is not departmental budget for). The sudden realisation that there is no-one to do massive amounts of work as you have now asked the remaining public servants to do the work of 5 people. Contract out to private sector which massively increases costs as they charge far more. Increase public service numbers again.

    That's how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili81 View Post
    Australia is a long way from Greece or even Spain. However yes severe austerity is bringing a terrible toll on people
    Of course, but the way abbott and hockey carry on, it's as if the country is about to go broke. They forget to mention our AAA credit rating, Spain and Greece are still in the B's. And Ireland moved from Baa3 to Baa1.

    People are oblivious to how bad it is/was in Greece, Spain, Ireland etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ana Gram View Post
    It really a case of 'been there, done that'. This is not the first time there have been major cuts to the public service. And it is happening exactly like before.

    Huge cuts (some of which there is not departmental budget for). The sudden realisation that there is no-one to do massive amounts of work as you have now asked the remaining public servants to do the work of 5 people. Contract out to private sector which massively increases costs as they charge far more. Increase public service numbers again.

    That's how it goes.
    Yep that's how it seems to go.
    I contracted for a while in a government department and anytime someone left (mostly redundancy or retirement) they simply replaced them with contractors or casuals who work full-time hours - because contractors and casuals don't get included in the head count, so while it might look like they're making cuts, all they're really doing is shuffling money around.

    I won't ague that many departments need restructuring though. On one hand they had 3 people doing specific jobs that in private one person would do, on the other hand there were people in the same department with such huge backlogs of work that important things don't get the attention they need. Too many departments where there's only one supervisor who is signing off on things that are never checked and money gets wasted that way too.

    But making sweeping cuts or wiping out whole departments is not the way to fix it, because disfunction exists in (I'm guessing) every department, and all departments have their uses otherwise they wouldn't exist.

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