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    Quote Originally Posted by meilaa View Post
    If they could prove their case was a real issue and not just the issue of laziness (as it is 90% of the time) then I believe exceptions should be made.
    To be fair though I think Australia's welfare system is far to generous. If you are unemployed you should be given the bare minimum to scrape buy on. It's not fair that without working you can have a new phone, nice new tv and a decent car when many people working have almost no disposable income and struggle to live.
    Round and round we go, where ignorant people will stop, no-one knows!?

    90% of the time people are unemployed by redundancy due to laziness is it?
    You clearly have NO IDEA how much newstart people receive, do you?

    Try living on $500pf with bills, rent, groceries, petrol, insurance, childcare, schooling etc & tell me thats NOT living bare minimum!

    Heaven forbid someone own a phone, tv, car etc WHILE earning a fulltime wage, then have it taken from them, should they too be stripped of these items because they dont work fulltime now?

    Sounds like you've somehow been bitten by the jealously bug, jealous of what I dont know, I sure as hell would prefer to be working at coles than only on $500pf struggling to get by, while people look down their noses at me while Im desperate for work. Sometimes the work isnt there, or you dont get picked for an interview every time your against 200 other applicants on seek

    Gotta love how people look down their noses at others when people are on their bad luck, good job, kick em while their down! I genuinely hope your not made redundant from your job & end up on NO income, not even newstart and see how much you are seen as "lazy" then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mum2maisie View Post
    I have to also agree with vicpark..I'm a strong labor supporter but I do agree with not paying ftb b to families of school age children.

    Me too. There's actually a company i noticed a month or so ago that's a recruitment agent for school friendly jobs (so 10-3) 5 days a week.

    There's clearly already a need for that, and this is where they can expand their business, especially if these changes go through.

    I know that doesn't suit all businesses, but surely at 25 hours a week, that's still the equivalent of 3 full time days, which I know suits many businesses.

    Having said this. The government should be encouraging more of these types of positions. How, I'm not sure, but if they want to change things up so much, they need to also offer up ways of making life under these changes easier on families.

    Then again, what am I thinking, TA and his cronies would never do anything sensible like that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I think I agree with this cut especially for 2 parent families where one parent doesn't work/works part time. When your kids are in school then you can make use of before and after school care and work.
    - the exception being cases where the kids are special needs and won't cope with the extra after school care. I would hope that extra support is offered to thise families but rather under the disabilities umbrella.

    Or is there something I am missing?
    I would disagree. My DS has autism which isn't really viewed upon as a disability. The oosh couldn't stand him and even went so far as to tell me autistic children shouldn't be allowed to attend and that one carer felt like hitting him because he was too difficult.
    Obviously I had to take him out and have no intentions of ever sending him back there. I tried the only other oosh in the area but there were no spots and they have to give priority to the school they are based at.
    I work, only casually, and obviously the hours I do work are quite limited by the situation I'm in. I stand to lose FTB B at the same time I'm forced on to the dole. This will have a significant and detrimental impact to the quality of mine and my children's lives. There are no other payments or support in place. It is what it is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomsie View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    We're going to have to agree to disagree. I just don't think healthy parents should be paid by the Government to stay home and look after healthy school aged kids. It's a lifestyle choice that should be funded by the family themselves. IMO it should be one of the firs things to go if the government needs to cut the budget.
    I kind of agree. It shouldn't but cut and dry (as you've alluded to), if there is proof (medical support for example) a mum should be exempt if her child has special needs/illness that would make it impossible for her to get part time employment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meilaa View Post
    If they could prove their case was a real issue and not just the issue of laziness (as it is 90% of the time) then I believe exceptions should be made.
    To be fair though I think Australia's welfare system is far to generous. If you are unemployed you should be given the bare minimum to scrape buy on. It's not fair that without working you can have a new phone, nice new tv and a decent car when many people working have almost no disposable income and struggle to live.

    Far too generous? Tell that to the "17,845 children under the age of 12 homeless. " and the 600,000 children living in poverty.

    http://thestringer.com.au/600000-aus.../#.U32G7X8ayK0

    Have ever you tried living off of it?
    I don't get why any one would want children living in poverty.

    I also think people are very blasé, without looking at the way our society is structured and the structural disadvantage and prejudice/ sexism and racism that can vastly effect people's life chances. Plunging people further into poverty, doesn't get them out of poverty. In fact it's proven the more supports we give people, the likelier they are to succeed. Keep people scrounging around and they look to survive instead of succeed and innovate.
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    http://www.themercury.com.au/news/ta...-1226927014431

    Could TA get any worse!? How about funding industries and supporting education and training so jobs are created and people have the skills to apply for them, instead of telling people to move! For what?! To work at woolies!? What an idiot! So lets create a mass exodus from one state to another, burden other states with even more jobseekers, and watch how many people end up homeless and destitute and far away from support. Lets not factor in the obvious issues some people will face with this "brilliant" idea. Is this seriously his answer to the issue of unemployment in Tas?
    He has seriously just got no freaking idea.

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    What's wrong with working at Woolies? They pay above minimum wage..they have good standards of work..they work around your family ( in terms of families, school hours) there is a union. My mil has worked at Woolies her whole life and loves it. She owns her home and raised 4 boys. So I don't think we need to job attack. If you are working that's all that matters, not where.

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    There is nothing wrong with working at Woolies. I would have much rather worked at Woolies than be stuck on the dole for months. However, getting a job at Woolies is not as simple as just showing up and asking for a job.

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    I think what PearlyGirl was trying to say is that retail service job aren't infinite and that not everyone can leave Tas to go work at, eg Woolies. They should be creating a job industry in Tas, not telling everyone to leave if they want quality of life through employment.

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