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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili81 View Post
    here is what he exactly said

    “One of the things that quite astounds me is some people are screaming about [the] $7 co-payment,” the treasurer said.

    “One packet of cigarettes costs $22; that gives you three visits to the doctor. You can spend just over $3 on a middy of beer so that's two middies of beer to go to the doctor. Let's have some perspective about the costs of taking care of our health, and is a parent really going to deny their sick child a visit to the doctor which would be the equivalent payment of a couple of beers or one third of a packet of cigarettes?”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleetwood View Post
    Im sure if you're married to a good Christian fella who works hard to support his family then you'd get his kudos for being a SAHM. Anyone else, and especially single mums, sorry but that's very undesirable and you should suck it up.
    Im confused?

    Do you mean that if im partnered & my husband isnt christian I have to go back to work?
    And if im a single parent same?

    Im all for having options. I have pretty much always worked. My kids are 18,16,11 and 8. I also am due in less than 2 weeks. I personally see the benefit in working eg income, super, socialisation & the values it teaches my kids. However as someone who has worked majority of time over those years I can tell you that childcare expense, conditions and most importantly availability has gone downhill over the years. I have also noticed a huge increase in staff turnover during that time. My eldest started daycare at 4 months old ( I was 18 & a single parent fresh out of yr 12 and I worked ) From when she started care until her younger brother finished there 7 years later the staff hardly changed. The fees werent such a high percentage of my family income and we hardly received any benefits apart from childcare rebate. Me personally id rather go back to childcare being more affordable etc and lose benefits.

    I will not be putting my 6 week old child into care because the cost of care (financial) compared to my wage will not make it worth it to me emotionally nor financially.

    I completely back that women should try very hard to do some form of paid work outside of the home. Wether its full time or part time women should have options and flexibility. The reality is that its quite different for men. Its rarely the man working fulltime who also has to deal with the logistics of childcare/schooling etc. Sick days, pupil free days, school holidays etc tend to be mums domain to deal with. If you have a husband/partner who is different please share where you found him



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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    No that's not the case anymore. It's more around the $70-75 mark (less in a boutique of course). That's straight out of uni.

    I think looking at salary straight out of uni is crazy though. Combined, my DH and I earn about 2/2.5 what we did after uni/travel.
    I'm in this job market.

    Given that the caps on number of students was lifted a few years ago, we're now flooded with new law graduates every year. In fact, I recall someone telling me that the number of law graduates every year in Australia is equal to the number of actual practicing solicitors. Therefore, if all graduates want to practice, then every year all the practicing solicitors in Australia would need to retire just to free up enough jobs.

    Consider this along with the shrinking access to PI claims due to new thresholds being imposed, the number of litigants now choosing to self represent to avoid the cost of legal representation, and the shift toward employing upskilled paralegals to complete the work of solicitors in their stead, and what do you have? Very few work opportunities and a very competitive market for law graduates.

    The current starting wages can be anywhere up to $70k pa, but graduates are counting their lucky stars to be offered closer to the $55k mark, and usually don't see significant pay rises until they've been in practice for at least 5 years.

    Its a sucky world of law graduates these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    At the 2 major surgeries here in town there are large posters on the walls of the waiting room saying "If you value our profession and the service we provide to this community, please do no ask to be bulk billed" Lovely huh? Again, we can afford the upfront payment, but I can't imagine someone with a sick child with only loose change in their pocket reading that poster.

    All this will do is raise ER visits through the roof.
    The surgery I go to also has a sign that says something along the lines of "due to increased costs, we have had to increase our fees and we can no longer bulk bill". Clearly my doc ignores this! Not sure how he gets away with it in that practice but hey....

    I think defienately it will send people to ER, and I also think that people on the lower end of the spectrum (like us) that are paying PHI will seriously consider getting rid of it if they are already finding it hard to pay, and are paying out of pocket for more of their healthcare anyway. People coming off PHI will only increase the load of medicare and waiting lists, cost the country more, and then they will raise the co-payment, and around and round we go.

    While I can afford to pay upfront at the moment when I need to, I am so grateful that I at least get bulk billed for my fairly regular GP visits and blood tests. I don't have a child that needs regular medical appointments, as I think that's when we will start getting pushed over the edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili81 View Post
    here is what he exactly said

    “One of the things that quite astounds me is some people are screaming about [the] $7 co-payment,” the treasurer said.

    “One packet of cigarettes costs $22; that gives you three visits to the doctor. You can spend just over $3 on a middy of beer so that's two middies of beer to go to the doctor. Let's have some perspective about the costs of taking care of our health, and is a parent really going to deny their sick child a visit to the doctor which would be the equivalent payment of a couple of beers or one third of a packet of cigarettes?”
    Totally disgusting. What a F.u.ing analogy. Seriously, what drugs is he on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili81 View Post
    here is what he exactly said

    “One of the things that quite astounds me is some people are screaming about [the] $7 co-payment,” the treasurer said.

    “One packet of cigarettes costs $22; that gives you three visits to the doctor. You can spend just over $3 on a middy of beer so that's two middies of beer to go to the doctor. Let's have some perspective about the costs of taking care of our health, and is a parent really going to deny their sick child a visit to the doctor which would be the equivalent payment of a couple of beers or one third of a packet of cigarettes?”
    What a f***head. Sorry for the language but that is an absolutely disgraceful comparison.

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    The only good thing about that comment is it proves how out of touch they are with the general population. Joe Hockey's electorate is the wealthiest in Australia. He's got no clue about the every day struggles of every day families! They keep on digging and digging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peanutmonkey View Post
    What a f***head. Sorry for the language but that is an absolutely disgraceful comparison.

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    That's pretty offensive. (What he said, not your language)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili81 View Post
    Have you heard Hockey about the GP copayment? Something along the lines of "No parent would refuse a visit to the GP for their sick child when it would only cost them the price of 2 beers or 1/3 of a pack of cigarettes"
    It is obscene that he uses 'cigarettes' and 'beer' for the analogy. He obviously thinks that everyone on lower incomes smoke & drink; such lack of respect for the general public. Maybe he could have said it's two bottles of milk or something to that effect. I just can imagine his depiction of struggling families is just an episode of 'Housos'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ourbradybunch View Post
    Im confused?

    Do you mean that if im partnered & my husband isnt christian I have to go back to work?
    And if im a single parent same?

    Im all for having options. I have pretty much always worked. My kids are 18,16,11 and 8. I also am due in less than 2 weeks. I personally see the benefit in working eg income, super, socialisation & the values it teaches my kids. However as someone who has worked majority of time over those years I can tell you that childcare expense, conditions and most importantly availability has gone downhill over the years. I have also noticed a huge increase in staff turnover during that time. My eldest started daycare at 4 months old ( I was 18 & a single parent fresh out of yr 12 and I worked ) From when she started care until her younger brother finished there 7 years later the staff hardly changed. The fees werent such a high percentage of my family income and we hardly received any benefits apart from childcare rebate. Me personally id rather go back to childcare being more affordable etc and lose benefits.

    I will not be putting my 6 week old child into care because the cost of care (financial) compared to my wage will not make it worth it to me emotionally nor financially.

    I completely back that women should try very hard to do some form of paid work outside of the home. Wether its full time or part time women should have options and flexibility. The reality is that its quite different for men. Its rarely the man working fulltime who also has to deal with the logistics of childcare/schooling etc. Sick days, pupil free days, school holidays etc tend to be mums domain to deal with. If you have a husband/partner who is different please share where you found him



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    I was being sarcastic, as in that's what TA's views are.

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