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    We used to, but I think after the Howard Government, everyone just felt like it wouldn't work. We had a march against joining the Iraq war in Sydney - around 200,000 people went in both Sydney and another 200,000 in Melbourne, it was insane-the atmosphere electric the huge number of people - astounding. And Howard laughed it off as left wing minority blah blah. It kind of all changed under him, nothing anyone did made a difference and I think people just kind of gave up.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lili81 View Post
    @Legeyt your friend is right.
    if people were ready to take it to the streets the coalition would change its tune.

    In my home country there would be thousands of people in the streets right now.

    I don't think it's something that people do here though

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    Quote Originally Posted by wannawannabe View Post
    because enrolled nurses aren't university educated!!!!! Starting salary for registered nurses is $62,000 not including penalty rates.

    Perhaps they are including part time wages in that average. Perhaps they're using outdated data. Obviously the $62,000 is full time, if your part time you'll earn less.

    Tasmania starting salary is $57,000 less than qld but still above your $55,000 average. NSw and Vic I believe are similar.

    the $55000 figure is obviously wrong, a high majority of nurses would be earning much more than that unless they've either just started work or work part time.
    I stand by my original point that medicine and science graduates are paid more, often much more than nurses, even using your $62k figure. Not sure why you want to argue that or say that I have no idea what I'm talking about? I did the research, those figures came up, and I used my six years of experience in working in science to make a point that medicine and science are more highly paid than nurses. I'm not sure what your point is other than to try to make me feel ignorant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crankyoldcow View Post
    Well if you are working as a scientist in Australia, I congratulate you on actually having a job. My sister has a Phd. There were literally no jobs available for her in Australia. She had a job in Germany, but her funding ran out. She is now moving to another country (in Europe).

    My father has worked in medical research as an immunologist since the day he left school (in the late 60s). I can assure you that scientists in Australia are not only poorly paid, but their jobs are not safe either due to the fact they (mostly) need to secure their own funding (depending on the field they work in, level they are at etc etc).
    I have a PhD and I am a research fellow at University of Melbourne. I am pleased to have my job as it can be tough finding work- I am extremely lucky. I don't think scientists are overpaid, my job is only ever contract work (as with almost all non tenured positions) and its stressful because I only ever get a year worth of work at a time. My one and only point is that science graduates are paid more than nurses on average, at no point did I say scientists are living a life of luxury.I am living the life of a stressed scientist, you do not need to educate me on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wannawannabe View Post
    I'm sorry but I do not agree with you at all.

    The reason the ATAR is lower for nursing is because there is a such a large number of nursing positions available. An ATAR rank for a course is based on supply and demand - the higher the demand and the less supply, the higher the ATAR is. It is has nothing to do with the "intelligence" required for the degree.

    There is an oversaturation of nursing graduates. South East Queensland (Sunshine Coast, Toowoomba, Brisbane and Gold Coast) currently has 7 universities offering nursing degrees with 1000+ students graduating each year. SEQ does not need 1000 nursing graduates each year, Queensland on the whole does not need that many nursing graduates each year plus there are universities in Cairns, Townsville and Central Queensland also pumping out nursing graduates.

    There is not low demand for those jobs - there are too many nurses for the jobs available.

    Doctors do not come out of uni earning $150,000. They start off on about $60,000. It takes another 8-10 years after uni to qualify as a specialist and earn "mega-bucks".

    Science salaries do not start off on $80,000. Most science graduates are doing lab work and earning $30,000-$40,000.

    I've been out of uni for 18 months and am earning $80,000+ as a nurse. I wouldn't really call that being paid a pittance.

    I'm sorry but you have no idea about what you're talking about.
    Thank you for putting down exactly what I wanted to say. The salaries in the previous post take years to get to, IF you ever get to them.

    I work in medicine, my biggest worry about this whole budget, and I have a few concerns, is the GP, ED, pathology, and radiology co - payments, and the extra $5 on pbs meds. Anyone who works in healthcare know that preventative healthcare is cheaper and easier than critical healthcare.

    I really don't think it was thought through at all. It may only be $7 to some, but to others who have less than $50 for a fornight worth of living expenses, that's a huge chunk of change.
    I also fear people not showing up to an ED when it is necessary, as they are concerned that they will be triaged as not necessary and slapped with a $7 fee. Again, it may be just a cough today, it can very quickly be pneumonia tomorrow.

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    Which is great, but it really is robbing Peter to pay Paul. Slashing funding that goes into health care is hardly something a government who is serious about health would do.


    Quote Originally Posted by maternidade View Post
    No it's research into cancer, heart disease etc

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    Lets let them know this is not ok. It literally takes a couple of seconds to sign - NO MORE APATHY

    Quote Originally Posted by MilkingMaid View Post
    Sign this petition on change.org

    Force a double dissolution of Australian parliament.

    The Liberal National Party has breached their Contract with Australia as outlined in their Real Solutions Plan that was their platform for the 2013 Federal Election held on September 7 2013. Without a clear mandate, the current Australian Federal Parliament needs to be dissolved by double dissolution and another election held so that a new parliament can be formed.

    http://www.change.org/en-AU/petition...deserve-better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennaisme View Post
    From memory Lili, you're from France?

    A friend of mine loves the French people because "they remind their government that the government words for them and can be fired accordingly". Sorry, slightly OT.

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    Yes we can fired them the same here. But people in the streets is a huge cost for the country and it gives a strong signal to the government that people are unhappy with them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sydney1980 View Post
    Agreed, it must be my French side but I am itching for a good old protest march .
    March in May this sunday-1pm at Belmore park!

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    Surely though, pensioners really should be exempt from the co payment? I just find it ludicrous - we built the Australia off the back of our older generation, and this is how we repay them? It is not like the pension is a comfortable lively hood as it is.

    I agree with PP - I am more upset about what this means in in terms Australia and why it is an amazing country. It used to anyone, no matter where they are from or how they grew up could have a chance to study and better their situations, that everyone could access healthcare no matter how poor they are. This will all change and that is what really upsets me about this budget.

    Quote Originally Posted by maternidade View Post
    It's not too late, it will just be harder. it's also a chance for us to teach the new generation to set themselves up.
    To be blunt every action has an equal reaction and consequence. Surely one can see not setting a foundation early on will result a poor future, if you continue to drown in self pity and not get up and do something to change.
    Yes **** happens, there are some wonderful mummas on here that have been dealt the rough end of the stick; but also a few with a sense of entitlement.

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