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    Quote Originally Posted by wannawannabe View Post
    I'm sorry but I do not agree with you at all.

    The reason the ATAR is lower for nursing is because there is a such a large number of nursing positions available. An ATAR rank for a course is based on supply and demand - the higher the demand and the less supply, the higher the ATAR is. It is has nothing to do with the "intelligence" required for the degree.

    There is an oversaturation of nursing graduates. South East Queensland (Sunshine Coast, Toowoomba, Brisbane and Gold Coast) currently has 7 universities offering nursing degrees with 1000+ students graduating each year. SEQ does not need 1000 nursing graduates each year, Queensland on the whole does not need that many nursing graduates each year plus there are universities in Cairns, Townsville and Central Queensland also pumping out nursing graduates.

    There is not low demand for those jobs - there are too many nurses for the jobs available.

    Doctors do not come out of uni earning $150,000. They start off on about $60,000. It takes another 8-10 years after uni to qualify as a specialist and earn "mega-bucks".

    Science salaries do not start off on $80,000. Most science graduates are doing lab work and earning $30,000-$40,000.

    I've been out of uni for 18 months and am earning $80,000+ as a nurse. I wouldn't really call that being paid a pittance.

    I'm sorry but you have no idea about what you're talking about.
    Never said it had anything to do with intelligence, at all. Dr's may not earn it immediately, but they do within a few years. I am a science graduate and I know at least 40 others whose starting salaries are all 70,000k plus. Never met a science graduate in my whole career who is working for $30,000. The average nurses salary is $55,000.

    Thanks, but I got a good grasp on medicine and science salaries. They are pretty good. If you want to argue that nurses are paid really well, and science and medicine graduates aren't- we must live in opposite worlds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilahh View Post
    Never said it had anything to do with intelligence, at all. Dr's may not earn it immediately, but they do within a few years. I am a science graduate and I know at least 40 others whose starting salaries are all 70,000k plus. Never met a science graduate in my whole career who is working for $30,000. The average nurses salary is $55,000.

    Thanks, but I got a good grasp on medicine and science salaries. They are pretty good. If you want to argue that nurses are paid really well, and science and medicine graduates aren't- we must live in opposite worlds.
    No it's not. Starting salary for graduate nurses in qld is $60000+ not including penalty rates. It also takes more than a "few years" for doctors to earn $100,000+.

    I believe nurses are paid quite well. I believe that doctors start out on a much lower salary than what people believe but their pay goes up as their experience and knowledge increases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legeyt View Post
    There was another time, when I was younger... in year 7, I guess. So, 11-12 or so? My little brother got very sick and we had to walk to the doctor’s. I clutched my mother's green health care card in my hand like a lifeline because that flimsy plastic card was what allowed my little brother to see a doctor without the money we didn’t have. I remember I scrounged up 10 dollars that day so I could buy him cough medicine and have a bit left over for cough drops. I wonder what will happen to people in my shoes now that you need to pay money to see a doctor. Seven dollars means a lot to a family in need.
    This is a very real scenario. I too remember my mum having to get me to the doctors one night, I think I had food poisoning. Because she didn't drive we had to get a taxi which at the time was a massive expense. She was a single mother of three with no child support as Dad had filed for bankruptcy. I could not imagine how much that would have hurt the family if we also had to pay for the GP visit and the subscription as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wannawannabe View Post
    No it's not. Starting salary for graduate nurses in qld is $60000+ not including penalty rates. It also takes more than a "few years" for doctors to earn $100,000+.

    I believe nurses are paid quite well. I believe that doctors start out on a much lower salary than what people believe but their pay goes up as their experience and knowledge increases.
    then why do QLD health gives these figures of <$55k for enrolled nurses? And the rest of sites say the average wage for a nurse in Australia is $55k?


    http://www.health.qld.gov.au/hrpolic...es/nursing.asp

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    Slightly off topic but does anyone know the price of a special ed teaching diploma?

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    @Legeyt your friend is right.
    if people were ready to take it to the streets the coalition would change its tune.

    In my home country there would be thousands of people in the streets right now.

    I don't think it's something that people do here though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili81 View Post
    @Legeyt your friend is right.
    if people were ready to take it to the streets the coalition would change its tune.

    In my home country there would be thousands of people in the streets right now.

    I don't think it's something that people do here though
    From memory Lili, you're from France?

    A friend of mine loves the French people because "they remind their government that the government words for them and can be fired accordingly". Sorry, slightly OT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilahh View Post
    then why do QLD health gives these figures of <$55k for enrolled nurses? And the rest of sites say the average wage for a nurse in Australia is $55k?


    http://www.health.qld.gov.au/hrpolic...es/nursing.asp
    because enrolled nurses aren't university educated!!!!! Starting salary for registered nurses is $62,000 not including penalty rates.

    Perhaps they are including part time wages in that average. Perhaps they're using outdated data. Obviously the $62,000 is full time, if your part time you'll earn less.

    Tasmania starting salary is $57,000 less than qld but still above your $55,000 average. NSw and Vic I believe are similar.

    the $55000 figure is obviously wrong, a high majority of nurses would be earning much more than that unless they've either just started work or work part time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili81 View Post
    @Legeyt your friend is right.
    if people were ready to take it to the streets the coalition would change its tune.

    In my home country there would be thousands of people in the streets right now.

    I don't think it's something that people do here though
    Agreed, it must be my French side but I am itching for a good old protest march .

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    The IMF and international economists all disagree with you, but what would they kno about finance?

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    No I think had the worst government now we all have to pay the price

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