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    Every government in recent times have tried and failed in welfare reforms. People won't change unless they are forced to.
    My cousin last night ( who's under 25) put up a post last night about being fck with new changes. I asked why and their response was "well IF I loose my job I won't have income".
    They're in a very stable job that the only way they'll loose it is if they broke the law or quit.
    That's not hard to not quit or not break the law.

    It's this attitude that needs to change,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili81 View Post
    Me too
    I am from a high level income household and I am disgusted at what they did

    An extra $400 in tax per year for people that earn over $180k?! how is that sharing the heavy lifting
    It's a bad joke
    Particularly when that extra tax is only for three years as opposed to the long term pain inflicted on the low / middle income earners

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    @maternidade your cousin could get retrenched too.

    I do think it's a good thing for a country to offer some kind of security to its weakest link.
    How do you keep on paying rent or mortgage when you lose your job? What is so wrong about giving newstart to these people to help them keep on living while they are looking for another job?

    It's all good to want to make the labour market as flexible as possible but then we need to offer some security for people in between jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maternidade View Post
    Every government in recent times have tried and failed in welfare reforms. People won't change unless they are forced to.
    My cousin last night ( who's under 25) put up a post last night about being fck with new changes. I asked why and their response was "well IF I loose my job I won't have income".
    They're in a very stable job that the only way they'll loose it is if they broke the law or quit.
    That's not hard to not quit or not break the law.

    It's this attitude that needs to change,
    Sorry not wanting to be argumentative but define 'stable job'.

    I know now a number of people who were in so-called very stable jobs who have been made redundant in the last year. I have a friend who works in HR/payroll who has done nothing but redundancies the last year at her work, they have laid off so many skilled and professional employees who have found it very difficult to regain work. And I know others who work in government - traditionally very stable - who have seen stacks if redundancies there too. They replace them with casuals or contract staff. There's no such thing as stable work anymore.

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    Seriously worried about our future and hoping some of the reforms get held back at the senate level! We're generally ok for the moment, but definitely on a tightrope with that. Really feel for people who were right there with us and will be tipped over by all this.

    On a somewhat related note (but less to do with the impact this will have on families per se) I guess that with so many services being slashed and new taxes being imposed there'll be less people trying to come in to the "lucky country" - which is really the only way they can justify the cuts to support for asylum seekers :/

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    Agreed. My DH has seen many redundancies in his company over the past 3 years. They (and many others in his industry) have also had a freeze on hiring for that long, so what are the people who are made redundant in that industry meant to do????

    It's all well and good to tell people to work.... I agree that if you can you should. But, the jobs have to be there too!!!

    We are just grateful that DH still has a job. For now anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharlee32 View Post
    and there are many many people out there who have been rorting the system and getting money for nothing. My and our tax money. They are cracking down on them which is a good thing and I agree with it 100%. TBH I will be hurt as well but what can I do or say, I am not Tony Abbott and it was always going to happen. They always have to recoup losses.People will lose jobs ect it was always going to happen. I like the budget because it cracks down on the people milking the system and gets more tax of the higher earners.
    okay, firstly - its not "YOUR" (or mine or anyone elses) tax dollars - once you pay YOUR tax bill it's then Government Revenue.

    And the budget and tax measures do NOT get money from highest income earners - the highest income earners pay less tax that anyone else

    The latest tax statistics show 75 ultra-high-earning Australians paid no tax at all in 2011-12. Zero. Zip





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    @WorkingClassMum all thanks
    to their clever accountants and many unfair tax opportunities like negative gearing or trust funds.

    This country is all about increasing inequalities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maternidade View Post
    Every government in recent times have tried and failed in welfare reforms. People won't change unless they are forced to.
    My cousin last night ( who's under 25) put up a post last night about being fck with new changes. I asked why and their response was "well IF I loose my job I won't have income".
    They're in a very stable job that the only way they'll loose it is if they broke the law or quit.
    That's not hard to not quit or not break the law.

    It's this attitude that needs to change,
    Eek - or the company goes into receivership like happened to my brother in law last year.

    Or when I was fresh out of uni at 21 and was only offered short term contracts and then when one finished and it took me 6 months to find a job I should have broken my lease and moved back in with my parents and lived off them cause no one in unskilled jobs wanted to hire me given it was immediately clear I was still looking for work in my industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sydney1980 View Post
    But where are those magical jobs coming from? Hockey said the budget will help strengthen the economy and create jobs. How exactly does the budget help achieve this? Massive cuts in health and education? What's the rationale there?
    People will have less money, so they will spend less, which will hurt business, which will hurt employment.

    This whole govt are a bunch of buffoons. They don't seem to understand the basics of economics. Paying off debt by having homeless, starving uneducated people just isn't going to work and defies all of the complex economic mechanisms at work.

    I truly fear for this country. And I don't say that flippantly. I mean I *really* fear for our futures.

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