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    Quote Originally Posted by maternidade View Post
    What's so wrong with young people either earning or learning? It may force crime but I argue that those people are morally corrupt anyway and just looking for excuses.

    Seriously?

    Many hitherto law abiding people with high morals have resorted to crime to just get food and protect family when in placed in dire circumstances throughout history.

    And regardless of people being morally corrupt - their morals don't help the victims of the crime when morally corrupt people are placed under pressure enough that their lack of morals overrules their fear of the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maternidade View Post
    I agree, most employers expect someone in their late 20's onwards have either studied or gained experience from working full time.
    To be competitive you need to have valid experience.

    What's so wrong with young people either earning or learning? It may force crime but I argue that those people are morally corrupt anyway and just looking for excuses.

    The 100 odd kids from my graduating class ( in low socio economic area) every one of them that either studied or worked full time after school now are middle class, with stable lives.
    those that sat back and did nothing until their mid 20's are now finding they're not competitive in the workforce.

    They can jump up and down about it being unfair and will cry poor with this budget but at the end of the day whilst they were being government funded to drink and smoke up a storm the rest of us were turning our unfortunate situations around.

    Edit- unfortunately it doesn't help those already in the situation but it may make the next generation think about it
    I got what you are saying and I do think there is some truth to it.

    BUT, will the kids from our children's generation be able to do the same? Will the 5/6/7 year olds in low socio economic areas now even be able to afford higher education?

    I'm scared it will be the haves and the have nots. Those that can afford to better their circumstances will probably do ok, and those that can not... well... tough

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeymourTheBear View Post
    So if you make a few bad decisions in young adulthood you have no option?

    Too bad, so sad. Suck it up?



    ETA - Sorry meant to quote @maternidade
    It's not too late, it will just be harder. it's also a chance for us to teach the new generation to set themselves up.
    To be blunt every action has an equal reaction and consequence. Surely one can see not setting a foundation early on will result a poor future, if you continue to drown in self pity and not get up and do something to change.
    Yes **** happens, there are some wonderful mummas on here that have been dealt the rough end of the stick; but also a few with a sense of entitlement.

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    I know this sounds melodramatic, but it is the truth:

    As a Christian I feel like I am grieving today. I am ashamed to be part of a country that places so little value on it's vulnerable people.

    Disgusting

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkingClassMum View Post
    Seriously?

    Many hitherto law abiding people with high morals have resorted to crime to just get food and protect family when in placed in dire circumstances throughout history.

    And regardless of people being morally corrupt - their morals don't help the victims of the crime when morally corrupt people are placed under pressure enough that their lack of morals overrules their fear of the law.
    We are not in war torn Middle East, what example are you setting if you steal and use violence to get what you want.

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    Yes, since when is pushing people into despair, motivating??

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    Quote Originally Posted by OurLittleBlessing View Post
    I know this sounds melodramatic, but it is the truth:

    As a Christian I feel like I am grieving today. I am ashamed to be part of a country that places so little value on it's vulnerable people.

    Disgusting
    Me too
    I am from a high level income household and I am disgusted at what they did

    An extra $400 in tax per year for people that earn over $180k?! how is that sharing the heavy lifting
    It's a bad joke

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    Yes I know. We won't be directly affected too badly either (yet anyway), but I can see how big social change is happening. It's not right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OurLittleBlessing View Post
    I got what you are saying and I do think there is some truth to it.

    BUT, will the kids from our children's generation be able to do the same? Will the 5/6/7 year olds in low socio economic areas now even be able to afford higher education?

    I'm scared it will be the haves and the have nots. Those that can afford to better their circumstances will probably do ok, and those that can not... well... tough
    My DD is a whole 5 months old. FOB and I are now discussing how much needs to be put aside for her uni. She might not want to go and that's okay, but it's also kind of put a damper on any children we'd like to have in the future with other partners. Which isn't fair on future prospective partners, either.

    For the people who voted Liberal and think this is a fantastic budget, I hope you guys have the money to pay for higher education for your kids, or you've comitted them to either never going to uni or paying a lot more for their degrees than you ever did and needing to get far higher loans. That's a bit crap and totally spits on the Aussie notto of "a fair go for all".

    The American uni system (from what I can gather from my US friends) is sh!t but will still end up being fairer than the Australian one. They pay 50k per year for their full time degrees but that 50k also covers their room and food for the year as well. Whereas we'll have university that costs 50k per year and also have to work to pay for housing and food on top of it.

    They also have community college which is a more affordable approach for uni for people in low socioecenomic areas and a thing called "Job Corps" which is kind of like our Tafe only slightly cheaper.

    This is a brilliant way to up the ADF sign ups though, since the military will pay for uni degrees for you, but with the obesity situation and how unfit Australians are as a whole, that wont work either.

    ETA: And I will happilly sound entitled in regards to education. I believe everyone deserves the opportunity and required support to gain higher education if that's what they choose to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maternidade View Post
    We are not in war torn Middle East, what example are you setting if you steal and use violence to get what you want.
    No, we are not in war-torn Middle East (and your first post didn't make a distinction it made a broad sweeping generalisation) - I have a friend who lives in Melton (west of Melbourne) - she now steals to eat as she has an ABI, a MI and a spinal injury due to DV she's been completely cut off CL, she can't drive, (couldn't afford a car anyhow). She is desperate and has now resorted to dumspter diving (illegal) and petty crime to eat.

    As from tomorrow she's homeless as well. I've offered to help but can't have her stay due to her MI and I need to protect my kids.
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