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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I honestly don't mean any offence but it's not normal for an 11.5 month old to take every 2 hours in the night for a feed. Not saying your bub isn't a gorgeous little pumpkin. Does bub have any medical issues?
    @VicPark - how would you suggest to get an 11 month old to sleep for longer and/or self settle when they:
    - burst into hysterical tears the moment they are put down (awake or even if they are actually asleep) and do not have contact with mum or dad?
    - wake during the night they are fully awake and cries until they are fed or up with their dad being 'walked' around the house (baby is fully alert). When they are fed it is not comfort feeding, it's full on, I wanna feed feeding.

    On what grounds are you saying that frequent waking is 'not normal'?

    My DD slept through the night 5 times until she was 2. Things got a lot better but she still often doesn't sleep through the night and wakes for a cuddle, blankets, drink etc probably 50% of the nights (she is 3 years 4 months). As a newborn and infant her day sleeps would often consist of 2 x 15 minute naps, she was just a wakeful baby. She is now proving to be a very alert, switched on, and confident girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peanutmonkey View Post
    Its the same old argument really, you believe that all babies over 6 months, in the absence of medical conditions, no longer require night feeds. I believe that all babies are different and develop different with different needs, especially considering 2 of my 3 children have needed night feeds past 6 months of age (I dont count DS3 in that as we only give him the bottle at 4:30am to help him back to sleep quickly before he wakes his brothers, he does not need this feed)

    Im not going to change my mind on it. You're obviously not gojng to change your mind. We could discuss and argue til we're blue in the face so I will just agree to disagree with you.

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    Beautifully said and I wholeheartedly agree.

    Btw VP and Alliepallie - in my family it's the norm for kids to be TT by 1-1.5yr old. I would hate it if my two were considered abnormal or had a medical condition as they were only TT by 18-20mths old. There is a wide range of normal.... Calling other children abnormal is completely unhelpful. If I called your son or daughter abnormal as they isn't night TT by 2yo wouldn't you be taken aback?


    Btw I do know kids TT at different stages of life for various reasons.





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    [QUOTE=VicPark;7747274]Quick snap poll: all the ladies on this thread:
    A) do you follow SOS
    B) how old are your kids and do they sleep through?

    Me:

    No. I don't. I don't have a 'style' but use a combo of co-sleeping/baby whisperer that kind of thing. It has been different for each kid.

    DS1 - slept through from 4 weeks. Started waking more at 6 months but he had health issues.
    DS2 - from 12 months but still wakes 3/7 nights at 3.
    DS3 - is 16 months and hasn't slept through yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peanutmonkey View Post
    Advising someone that this is abnormal can be damaging. Sure if someone is worried they should speak to a health professional. But it certainly isnt true that if a baby is waking 2 hourly at 11 months that there must be something wrong with him or her.

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    Of course if someone is worried they should speak to a health professional. Assuming there are no medical issues then burying their heads in the sand and accepting this as normal is signing the death warrant for their hopes of a good night sleep. There's no way I am going to accept that an 11 month old waking every 2 hours is normal. That's ridiculous.

    Sorry but we're going to have to agree to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Of course if someone is worried they should speak to a health professional. Assuming there are no medical issues then burying their heads in the sand and accepting this as normal is signing the death warrant for their hopes of a good night sleep. There's no way I am going to accept that an 11 month old waking every 2 hours is normal. That's ridiculous.

    Sorry but we're going to have to agree to disagree.
    I did take her to a health professional, she was fine and I was assured it was all normal.
    What was I and others supposed to do? Leave them to howl? I'm sorry but I won't do that. If my baby cries it's her way of telling me she needed something.

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    Do you know what VP? I've ticked all your boxes. I've said SOS is simply not for me. I've read the book - more than once in fact. I've advised OP to read it and see how she feels. I haven't used 'overly emotive' words that hinder discussion. My only comments have been that it is not based on any empirical scientific fact and a general wondering about why the book is so open to being misinterpreted. Which is a fair question.

    You have stated that it is most likely my fault (or someone like me) that my 18 month old is a terrible sleeper, but I'm unlikely to acknowledge that as I wouldn't generally be the self-reflective type. Now you're telling me that my child is not normal. So which is it - me as a sh!thouse parent or my poor abnormal kid?

    I have been on the verge of serious mental breakdown because of my son's sleep. Repeatedly. I'm there again. I thought of you last night at midnight when my screaming, teething son was doing my head in. I hated myself for not being 'strong' enough for trying SOS. I have spent 18 months reflecting on all of my failures as a parent. I am not 'an idiot' that doesn't know how to read a book. If I did try SOS and it doesn't work for my son, that's just the way it is. I wouldn't blame the book, as it clearly works for some people. Nor would I blame my son. It just isn't a match.

    I crave structure and routine in my personal life, and throwing that out of the window for my child is one of the hardest things I've ever done, and a massive sacrifice. Yes, it's my choice. I haven't once put you down for yours. I work extremely hard to say things in a diplomatic way.

    And yes, I'm genuinely glad for you that you don't go through what I go through. Just be careful what you say, because your words can be just as damaging as anyone else's here. Don't bring normal into it please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busy-Bee View Post
    @VicPark - how would you suggest to get an 11 month old to sleep for longer and/or self settle when they:
    - burst into hysterical tears the moment they are put down (awake or even if they are actually asleep) and do not have contact with mum or dad?
    - wake during the night they are fully awake and cries until they are fed or up with their dad being 'walked' around the house (baby is fully alert). When they are fed it is not comfort feeding, it's full on, I wanna feed feeding.

    On what grounds are you saying that frequent waking is 'not normal'?

    My DD slept through the night 5 times until she was 2. Things got a lot better but she still often doesn't sleep through the night and wakes for a cuddle, blankets, drink etc probably 50% of the nights (she is 3 years 4 months). As a newborn and infant her day sleeps would often consist of 2 x 15 minute naps, she was just a wakeful baby. She is now proving to be a very alert, switched on, and confident girl.
    It's hard to say without knowing the specifics of the routines and habits that the parents have established. Also, it's harder to train an older bub to sleep well (got to start young or it is much more difficult). Some general ideas which may or may not be appropriate for this case:

    - rule out medical issues
    - introduce a comforter with mums smell on it. Use it at every sleep.
    - look at day naps. How many naps is bub having? Ready to drop to 1? Napping for too long?
    - double check the temperature and bedding in bubs room. A gro-bag and thermostats controlled heater is the easiest (I've found).
    - up solids, in particular protein/meat before bed time. If you need to cut back in milk drinks a little then so be it.
    - once the above is done slowly wean off the night bottle (cut back the amount a bit each night)
    - get rid of negative sleep aids (dummy, patting/rocking to sleep etc). With an older child you might want to try a slow wean.
    - move bub to a room that is furthest away from noise. Even if it's the study.
    - get blockout blinds.
    - treat all night wakings as night time (no noise, low lights, no talking)
    - don't go to bub at the first grizzle. Sometimes bub might grizzle in their sleep and going in actually wakes them up
    - slowly introduce bub to different people (family members, playgroup etc)
    - be prepared for new changes to take a week or so to start working: don't give up right away.
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    Normal..?
    We are talking about babies aren't we?

    Normal??? What is normal???

    Sleep issues are like personalities they are many and varied.
    It's not normal for a baby to wake every 2 hours and it's not normal for a baby to sleep all night.

    Babies have a range of sleep habits and there are so many variables.. It is rarely sh!tty parenting ...

    Mums going through sleep issues are so fragile...
    But please know that in all my years as a mum... My kids have never been normal sleepers as there ain't no such thing


    You know you're in love when you can't fall asleep because reality is finally better than your dreams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie Pallie View Post
    if that works for them, great!

    I do wonder what you're meant to do with 3 children under 3 or 4 who still need mum to fall asleep. Inevitably one misses out and I'm sure there would be some crying.
    I have 3 young ones who all need me. I put them down in order. Youngest at 7 while other two are reading. Second youngest once the first is asleep and the eldest is in prep and gets a short cuddle before he goes to sleep. I so have a supportive hubby/mums and my schedule is based around our family circumstances. When I have all 3 on my own I take them all in my bed to fall asleep.

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