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    Quote Originally Posted by tastychicken View Post
    By your argument, driving a car is operating heavy machinary.



    again more people have died in car crashes than looking after children in a childcare centre.

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    But having a dozen children in your care that you are solely responsible for is a huge thing. Just bc I CC worker doesn't drive a fork lift doesn't mean their job doesn't involve risk and pressure, it's just a different type of risk and pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie Pallie View Post
    again more people have died in car crashes than looking after children in a childcare centre.
    So the (female dominated) childcare workrrs are payed such little money because the job is not as dangerous as driving a car. By this argument, IT workers should only get the wage of a childcare worker? They all have 6 month training at tafe and an inside job.

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    And I just want to say Ally before I log off:

    You are talking about how more women should return to the workforce. You do realise it was feminism that even allowed you to work in the first place? or to have the training needed to apply for the job you have. There are countries in the world where females aren't even allowed to be primary educated let alone have the power to have a job.

    All the things you currently enjoy - working, being allowed to choose your husband, getting super, getting CL if heaven forbid your marriage failed or you lost your job, wearing the clothes you want. Being able to use birth control. All from feminism

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    The only thing that annoys me about feminism is the statement "Women can do anything men can do." While I agree with it, it's very conditional.

    Our bodies are built differently to males, both sexes can swing an axe for example... but 95% of the time a man is 'better' suited to cut down a tree. To say that we are equally suited for every job is wrong.

    mother to a beautiful baby boy

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamermummy View Post
    The only thing that annoys me about feminism is the statement "Women can do anything men can do." While I agree with it, it's very conditional.

    Our bodies are built differently to males, both sexes can swing an axe for example... but 95% of the time a man is 'better' suited to cut down a tree. To say that we are equally suited for every job is wrong.

    mother to a beautiful baby boy
    But to say the trunchbull from matilda or brienne of tarth can't do the same job a man because of her gender is wrong. Most male dominated fields these days are easily able to be undertaken by girls. This is about body type not gender.

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    Ok well I was a child care worker for 7 years before getting my forklift licence and working at a transport company. I can tell you being a child care worker is a lot more stressful but driving a forklift is yes more dangerous due to the nature of the environment mainly because it's an industry dominated by young males who tend to think they are invincible and time constraints. Being a forklift driver in a less stressful environment would be a lot safer for example a warehouse that picks orders. I worked unloading 13-15 semi trailers in a 3hr period with 5 other forkies..it's pretty intense and the load is huge but it's not as intense as working with a room full of small people. Pay wise I went from $15 p/hr to $21 p/hr!

    I consider myself a feminist, a lot of people have already said why we need it. It's something I'm very passionate about and I actually find it very shocking that people believe we don't need feminism

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    Quote Originally Posted by tastychicken View Post
    But to say the trunchbull from matilda or brienne of tarth can't do the same job a man because of her gender is wrong. Most male dominated fields these days are easily able to be undertaken by girls. This is about body type not gender.
    This also brings me to another part of this issue. If a woman chooses to undertake an occupation and hobbies that fall outside the pre discribed version of what is feminine by society, she is ridiculed or called a lesbian.

    The social stigma for instance surrounding a tall woman with a much shorter man for example. Or how females in power are critised for their choice of clothes before their job performance.

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    The Global Gender Gap report, released in 2013 was interesting and, I think, reinforces why feminism is still important in Australia.

    "The recently released World Economic Forum’s Global Gender Gap Report puts Australia at 24 in a list of 136 countries, behind neighbouring New Zealand, which sits at number seven. The index measures the relative gaps between men and women across health, education, economics and politics.

    Australia’s ranking has decreased greatly since 2006, when it was ranked 15th.
    Women in South Africa, Cuba, Burundi, the Philippines, Latvia and Lesotho all enjoy greater equality with men than Australia."
    It also explains why affirmative action, such as quotas are important in reaching equality:

    Gender quotas represent a form of affirmative action, a policy designed to remedy the effects of past discrimination on women.

    In Australia, affirmative action has been a central part of Australia’s workforce participation and gender equality legislative framework since the first equal opportunity legislation was passed in 1986.[58]

    More recently the focus has shifted to improving the gender balance in other areas of public life including leadership roles.[59]
    In the 2013 Gender Gap report, Political empowerment was one of the areas in which Australia did worst (Bangladesh ranked higher)

    The Government has committed $320 million to support a 10-year initiative to ‘empower women and to promote gender equality in the Pacific’ region, which has the world’s lowest proportion of women parliamentarians.

    Do people believe that this affirmative action shouldn't occur?


    I tend to agree with the statement that "Parliaments are by nature intended to represent their societies" (quoted from this research paper on the Australian Government website) and support any action that is designed to reach a goal of equality.

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    On another note, do people who don't support affirmative action for women (quotas, targeted programs, business networks etc) also not support it for other groups that are under-represented, such as Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders?

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    Regarding violence towards women.

    http://www.whiteribbon.org.au/white-ribbon-importance


    About White Ribbon


    Intimate partner violence is the most common type of violence against women, affecting 30 per cent of women worldwide, according to the 2013 World Health Organization report Global and regional estimates of violence against women: Prevalence and health effects of intimate partner violence and non-partner sexual violence.


    And Australia is not immune.


    Violence against women is a serious problem in Australia, where at least one woman is killed every week by a current or former partner.


    The Australian Institute of Criminology reports that 36 per cent of all homicides take place in a domestic setting and 73 per cent of those involve a woman being killed by their male partner.


    Furthermore, Australian Bureau of Statistics data indicates that that one in three Australian women over the age of 15 reports having experienced physical or sexual violence at some time in their lives.


    The impact of violence against women is widespread and long-standing, generating profound personal, social and economic costs for individuals, communities and the nation.


    In the 2009 Time for Action report, KPMG estimated that violence against women and their children cost the Australian economy $13.6 billion annually and this was expected to rise to $15.6 billion by 2021. In 2013, KPMG announced the annual cost had already reached US$14.7 billion.


    Domestic and family violence is also the major cause of homelessness for women and their children. The Australian Institute of Health and Welfare’s report, Specialist Homelessness Services 2011-12, shows that people experiencing domestic or family violence make up one-third of the almost 230,000 Australians that accessed specialist homelessness services in that period. Of such clients, 78 per cent were female.

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