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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    lol there is no way it was coincidence. Severe endometriosis doesn't just regress substantially in a month on it's own by the power of the mind!.
    Actually, there's growing evidence that it's not just that the placebo effect causes people to think they get better. Sometimes, they actually do get better, literally through the power of the mind.

    http://science.howstuffworks.com/lif...ebo-effect.htm

    "Some researchers believe that placebos simply evoke a psychological response. The act of taking them gives you an improved sense of well-being. However, recent research indicates that placebos may also bring about a physical response."

    Also, it's quite possible that the pregnancy would have happened anyway. People with such conditions do become pregnant, and if it happened directly after herbal treatment despite that treatment being ineffective, that's the very definition of coincidence.

    I think you're falling for the post hoc, ergo propter hoc, logical fallacy. Once case simply doesn't prove therapeutic value.

    "Post hoc ergo propter hoc (Latin: "after this, therefore because of this") is a logical fallacy (of the questionable cause variety) that states "Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X." It is often shortened to simply post hoc. "

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    I've just started seeing a Naturopath in the last couple of months. She seems very good and I take my pills and disgusting liquid every day. I feel fine and don't seem to be having the negative side effects from other medication I have to take.

    I am also seeing a traditional Chinese medicine man and have a bag of sticks that I boil every day and drink the liquid.

    I have breast cancer and the side effects from the chemo can be quite extreme. I don't know whether it is the Naturopath's herbs, the Chinese man's herbs, a combination or the placebo effect that is helping, but either way I'm not about to stop.

    As a side note ...

    My DH has had severe psoriasis of the skin over his entire body (except his face) for the last 3 years. We have been to umpteen specialists and tried every tablet and cream imaginable. We have spent thousands of $. He went to the Chinese medicine man and after one treatment of acupuncture and 3 days worth of boiling herbs, his skin has cleared. He has to keep on the herbs for about 4-6 months to be completely healed but he has been able to wear shorts and t-shirts for the first time in years and he is not cranky and bleeding from the irritation. Yaaay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    lol there is no way it was coincidence. Severe endometriosis doesn't just regress substantially in a month on it's own by the power of the mind!. This wasn't just a few months of not falling pg with no cause and just being impatient. I had something really wrong with me.

    I worked with a woman that had endo and tried for a baby for 13 years. She took all the drugs the gyno's gave her, had multiple ops, not one single pos pg test. 2 months on herbs such as vitex and she was pg. 12 cycles per year X 13 years = that's 156 cycles. 2 cycles on vitex and maca - that's a 1 in almost 80 chance. Not good odds for coincidence!



    no I would say the herbs worked and the divine intervention was rubbish

    Sorry off topic here but just wanted to say my cousin had severe endometriosis and was told she'd never get pregnant... she did, twice, ten years apart. Two complete surprises.

    edit. She actually got pregnant 3 times, but had 2 children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duncan_bayne View Post
    Actually, there's growing evidence that it's not just that the placebo effect causes people to think they get better. Sometimes, they actually do get better, literally through the power of the mind.

    http://science.howstuffworks.com/lif...ebo-effect.htm

    "Some researchers believe that placebos simply evoke a psychological response. The act of taking them gives you an improved sense of well-being. However, recent research indicates that placebos may also bring about a physical response."

    Also, it's quite possible that the pregnancy would have happened anyway. People with such conditions do become pregnant, and if it happened directly after herbal treatment despite that treatment being ineffective, that's the very definition of coincidence.

    I think you're falling for the post hoc, ergo propter hoc, logical fallacy. Once case simply doesn't prove therapeutic value.

    "Post hoc ergo propter hoc (Latin: "after this, therefore because of this") is a logical fallacy (of the questionable cause variety) that states "Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X." It is often shortened to simply post hoc. "

    I believe 100% in the placebo effect and the power of the human mind!

    I have no idea if naturopathy works though, I've never tried it or researched it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleetwood View Post
    Sorry off topic here but just wanted to say my cousin had severe endometriosis and was told she'd never get pregnant... she did, twice, ten years apart. Two complete surprises.
    Not at all off-topic; it's a very clear example of the dangers of the post-hoc fallacy.

    Had your cousin been trying any treatment immediately prior, what're the odds she'd have credited it with the pregnancies? Without wishing to impugn her intelligence, I'd say the odds would be good. Human brains are very quick to find causes where they don't exist.


 

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