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    Quote Originally Posted by Kishimojin View Post
    As an able bodied person you have multiple toilet options. A disabled person only has one. It's not about waiting, sure a disabled person may have to wait while the toilet is in use (hopefully by another disabled person, most likely not). It's about why the toilets are provided for use by certain members of our community in the first place. It's about asking ourselves "if we should" not "why the hell not".
    I wasn't aware that accessible toilets were only for use by certain members of the community. The various building codes and standards require that accessible toilets be provided (and give the number per size of building and the actual design requirements) but I have never seen anywhere that they are for the exclusive use of a 'certain member of the community'. Even the Anti Discrimination legislation does not require 'exclusive use'. Provided someone with a disability is not prevented from using the accessible toilet, I don't see how there is any issue with others in need using the toilet. From the discussion it appears that people are being pretty courteous when using the accessible toilet and are only using them when they themselves have an accessibility need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kishimojin View Post
    I believe you misread my post, I never said I don't use a toilet when out shopping. After an episiotomy equivalent to a third degree tear I can assure you my bladder is not in tip top shape!!
    Those prams don't fit in a normal cubicle, which means either you leave your kids outside so they aren't in sight as you say they always are... or you use the accessibility toilet?

    and I know it's a case of agreeing to disagree, but I still don't understand the harm in using an empty toilet in certain circumstances.... an example... I went to melbourne a while ago, got off at Southern Cross station, had a medium sized suitcase. The cubicles in the normal toilet were so tiny and I physically couldn't close the door. So I went to the disabled toilet. Was all of 60 secs, no one waiting when I went in... no one waiting when I come out. I don't see the issue there given I didn't have 'multiple toilet options' except leaving my case out where someone could steal it. No harm done, no one put out.

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    By googling the sentence "should only disabled people use disabled toilets" I have found that unlike a disabled parking space the toilets aren't put in specifically for disabled people but rather anyone who needs it such as people with prams, trolleys or people who don't feel comfortable taking their son or daughter into a men's or ladies loo. This is why the name has been changed from disabled to accessible because they are not meant to be exclusively for the disabled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Those prams don't fit in a normal cubicle, which means either you leave your kids outside so they aren't in sight as you say they always are... or you use the accessibility toilet?
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    I do not leave my kids outside whatever you think - it really doesn't matter. I stand at the door of the cubicle for my six year old. I use parents rooms toilets - my regular shopping locations all have them funnily enough , I have my husband or friends watch the kids on other occasions or I simply wait until I get home. I use an accessibility toilet only if it is marked for the dual use of parent room / disabled toilet.

    It ain't that hard.

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    I got this from the site www.humanrights.gov.au in the frequently asked questions sections regarding access to premises.

    "Do accessible toilets have to be reserved exclusively for people with disabilities?

    No. There is nothing in the DDA to mandate accessible toilet facilities being exclusively for use by people with disabilities - so long as in high use areas there are sufficient numbers of accessible facilities to give users with disabilities equivalent convenience of access.
    Where there are multiple toilet facilities, venues may well make their own decisions to reserve accessible facilities for use by people with disabilities only, or to implement a priority system. That is however a matter for management decision in the circumstances of each venue, rather than for the DDA. Other users without disabilities may likewise decide voluntarily as a matter of courtesy not to use an accessible toilet if possible where another toilet is provided, to avoid delaying a person who does not have a choice. Again, however, that is not a matter for the DDA.
    Of course, the only way to ensure absolutely equal access would be to require that each and every toilet be accessible - but no one has argued that the DDA or other laws require that, in recognition of the additional space that an accessible toilet facility requires.
    The position where parking spots are reserved for use by people with disabilities is different. A parked car typically remains in place much longer than a person using a toilet does, so that parking in "disabled" spaces by drivers without a disability can effectively deny people with a disability access at all, rather than only requiring a short delay."

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    I have a 12 year old who is in a wheelchair - she can not walk or talk. I honestly do not mind if a parent with young children uses the disabled toilet. I have used them myself, when my disabled daughter hasn't been with me.

    Often their is a queue in the women's toilet and when young children need to go they need to go NOW and waiting isn't easy. Also there is room in a disabled cubicle for me to crouch in front my child on the toilet and support them, & stop them touching everything. If you have a pram with a younger child it is much easier if you can all go into the same cubicle.

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    It's like ramps or lifts put in to accommodate those in wheelchairs- they can still be used by people who are not in wheelchairs but their primary function is to make the location accessible to disabled people. I don't think anyone would be outraged to know that I sometimes walk up the ramp at DDs school instead of the stairs. Of course I would not block the way of a wheelchair bound person but I don't think I'm bring selfish or entitled by using the ramp.

    We all have our pet peeves, I certainly do , but the outrage over toilet use? Only in bub hub- no one I know irl would hesitate to use the accessible toilet with their kids if they needed to, esp with multiple kids!

    In response to the OP, DH has taken the girls out many times over the years. He takes them to the parents room or, you guessed it, the accessible toilet. Now the eldest two are old enough to into the ladies together and the youngest DD is still in nappies (which he changes in the parents room)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    . I don't think anyone would be outraged to know that I sometimes walk up the ramp at DDs school instead of the stairs. :
    I always knew you were a shady character..

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I always knew you were a shady character..
    Well... Sometimes, I park in parents with prams and put DD into a sling, too!!

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