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    Ok let's just all agree to drop the mining comparison. It plays no part in this debate.

    At the end of the day this strike isn't even about pay, so while most of us agree even if it were about a pay rise it would be well deserved, they're striking due to cuts to programs and TAs. So they're striking to make sure our kids aren't losing out.
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    OP, sorry to hear that your daughter was upset that she missed out of telling some good news to her class. But, teachers, just like nurses, ambulance, police etc strike for better working conditions & over government funding cuts. Thankfully we live in a county where we have the right to do so. Otherwise nothing changes, and nothing improves.

    So many qualified professions work their asses off with little pay compared to their skill and education. I have multiple teachers in my family, a nurse, a police woman, an accountant, IT professionals, and tradies within my close family. ALL of which do NOT get paid enough for how much work they do out of paid hours, usually with poor working conditions, but are expected to just do it anyway, they cant just "stop working" when their shift ends because it effects everyone else, employers, employees and clients/patients/pupils/the public.

    It is incredibly unfair that because they work on a salary that they dont get paid for all the over time they do (the tradies do, but thats it!). No one else does and I can tell you that every other profession works over time every week, hours worth, if you add it all up, thats a lot of bloody hours a year of unpaid work! I can tell you now that in admin (me) or retail etc that would not be on!

    IMO people should (if not already) be on a salary (for their 40 hours of work per week, pa ), any work AFTER the 8 hours should be paid by the hour with overtime, just like all places should. I should also add, that teachers do not get "12 weeks" of holidays, they work through the term breaks like every other business, because the breaks arent for them, its for the students.

    As others said, teachers DONT only strike for pay, but for many reasons, maybe you should look it up and you might want to join them

    I hope this thread has opened your eyes OP, if it wasn't for teachers striking for their rights as workers contributing to society, and your childrens education and rights, who would be?

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    Just out of curiosity are teachers wages different for each state? I have a few tenants that are teachers and all are on well over $60,000 - I think they are late 20,s so maybe say 6-8 years out of Uni? ( this is in Sydney)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elijahs Mum View Post
    Just out of curiosity are teachers wages different for each state? I have a few tenants that are teachers and all are on well over $60,000 - I think they are late 20,s so maybe say 6-8 years out of Uni? ( this is in Sydney)
    Yes, different for each state and private school teachers would usually be paid more.

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    8-4 job? Who the heck are you kidding. You have NO idea how much work goes into teaching your kid day in day out.
    My husband is a high school teacher and I can tell you he works bloody hard at school AND at home to make sure his kids get quality education and the chance for a good future. He is very passionate about his job, he doesn't do a half a$$ed job and he sure as heck doesn't have it easy.

    They dont just sit around on their butrs on the holidays and weekends and enjoy beers... no. They have to plan classes. Mark reports. Write assessments and the list goes on. So so much more goes into it than you think.

    Maybe you should do some research about the strikes before posting something so ignorant.



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    Ah yes, of course. That's women's work, spose we should just stop complaining about it and get back in the kitchen eh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Busy-Bee View Post
    You're forgetting 2 crucial factors:
    - Teaching is traditionally a woman's job whilst mining is traditionally a blokes job.
    - Teaching does not produce tangible, sell-able products; mining does.

    Tsk tsk Beebs, think about it luv!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Yes, different for each state and private school teachers would usually be paid more.
    I worked in an independent system and for most of the years I worked our pay agreement was following behind the public system. Sometimes when a pay agreement is worked out though it may be just ahead of the public for a little while and then it would flip back the other way for a while.

    This is just one system though - I'd imagine there could be private schools with higher pay incentives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Ted View Post
    I worked in an independent system and for most of the years I worked our pay agreement was following behind the public system. Sometimes when a pay agreement is worked out though it may be just ahead of the public for a little while and then it would flip back the other way for a while.

    This is just one system though - I'd imagine there could be private schools with higher pay incentives.
    Surely an independent system would have their own union to negotiate?

    When the nsw teachers federation discuss salaries, the amount teachers earn elsewhere is not discussed and has no bearing on how much they would ask for.

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    HOF - I'd be genuinely interested in finding out what the funding differences are between public and private schools per child. I've never come across any figures.

    I do wonder though if private school funding was cut what the repercussions would be. Would there be more people leaving the private sector as they can't afford the fees? Then there would be more kids back in the public system, with more classrooms and teachers needing to be employed on that side.

    Has anyone looked into this sort of thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Surely an independent system would have their own union to negotiate?

    When the nsw teachers federation discuss salaries, the amount teachers earn elsewhere is not discussed and has no bearing on how much they would ask for.
    They do. Before I went on maternity leave I was part of the committee who negotiated the new EBA. Many independent schools simply follow the state department in pay. Some more 'elite' private schools do have better pay incentives.

    And just so you know. .those who think. .. it might have been kimberlygal ...That because you have kids in a private/catholic/independent School that it won't be affected by government budget cuts you are dead wrong. All schools get some government funding so all schools are affected.

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