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    I've never, ever heard a teach say that...ever. They are striking at the moment due to funding cuts...not pay. So not sure exactly what their entitlements have to do with this discussion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberleygal1 View Post
    My ds goes to a catholic school and there are no cuts happening there.
    I agree though that they always seem to want more money and after asking a few teacher friends their opinions about this they both said that teachers pay is not bad and agree it's all a bit over the top. The amount of holidays they get even if working on some of the holidays as they do they still get adequate time off as there are about 12 weeks of school holidays per year when the average person gets 4-5 weeks annual leave per year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberleygal1 View Post
    My ds goes to a catholic school and there are no cuts happening there.
    I agree though that they always seem to want more money and after asking a few teacher friends their opinions about this they both said that teachers pay is not bad and agree it's all a bit over the top. The amount of holidays they get even if working on some of the holidays as they do they still get adequate time off as there are about 12 weeks of school holidays per year when the average person gets 4-5 weeks annual leave per year.
    With respect, you think teachers are over paid? yet people that work on the mines with little training beyond tickets get 3 times what a teacher who has gone to uni for 4 years gets. You as a secretary would get the same as a trained teacher. This is my 2nd degree, and the teaching course is extremely demanding and challenging. It's comments like this that make teachers feel undervalued.

    And again, teachers aren't lazing around 12 weeks of year. The work that goes into planning whole terms of work is phenomenal. It takes me days just to do a unit of work for one subject - a few weeks worth just for maths

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    With respect, you think teachers are over paid? yet people that work on the mines with little training beyond tickets get 3 times what a teacher who has gone to uni for 4 years gets. You as a secretary would get the same as a trained teacher. This is my 2nd degree, and the teaching course is extremely demanding and challenging. It's comments like this that make teachers feel undervalued.

    And again, teachers aren't lazing around 12 weeks of year. The work that goes into planning whole terms of work is phenomenal. It takes me days just to do a unit of work for one subject - a few weeks worth just for maths
    I'm not saying teachers are over paid! I am saying there is nothing wrong with what teachers are paid. We all want more money regardless of the profession, I'm personally tired of the teachers in particular carrying on about wanting more money, we would all like more money. Teachers do not work all holidays, this is another carry on about teachers that bugs me. They get 12 weeks holidays a year and even if they work planning etc half of that time that still leaves 6 weeks they aren't working. I have many teacher friends who have small children that are in daycare and during holidays they often don't have their children in daycare because they are on holidays so enough of the carry on about teachers having to work holidays all the time. Perhaps better preparation and time management is required if you do find yourself working alot of the school holidays. I'm over the poor teacher garbage!

    I know that this isn't what the strike is about at the moment, I'm speaking generally.

    And as for mining, that's a totally different profession. You think mining is easy to get into? You think alot of training isn't required? Being away from your family and working 12 hour days and being on call 24/7 isn't worthy of being paid well for? Not to mention the night shift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anjalee View Post
    The media coverage surrounding this is making me angry. They're not really going into the details too much, and more than half the article is normal a liberal member talking about how bad it is for our kids that they're striking for one day... No mention of the cuts they've already handed down, or the further cuts.

    Did anyone else get a snotty letter home from the government saying that we have to send our kids to school today or else it will be marked down as an "unexplained absence"? And how they should be striking during the holidays? Sorry, but how does striking during the holidays get anyone's attention?!
    it would be wierd if I sent him to school today. It's closed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberleygal1 View Post

    I know that this isn't what the strike is about at the moment, I'm speaking generally.
    Well perhaps you shouldn't.

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    Our school wasn't closed. Business as usual (it's a state school). Maybe that's what the letter meant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberleygal1 View Post
    I'm not saying teachers are over paid! I am saying there is nothing wrong with what teachers are paid. We all want more money regardless of the profession, I'm personally tired of the teachers in particular carrying on about wanting more money, we would all like more money. Teachers do not work all holidays, this is another carry on about teachers that bugs me. They get 12 weeks holidays a year and even if they work planning etc half of that time that still leaves 6 weeks they aren't working. I have many teacher friends who have small children that are in daycare and during holidays they often don't have their children in daycare because they are on holidays so enough of the carry on about teachers having to work holidays all the time. Perhaps better preparation and time management is required if you do find yourself working alot of the school holidays. I'm over the poor teacher garbage!

    I know that this isn't what the strike is about at the moment, I'm speaking generally.
    Honestly I'm over under-qualified people falling into jobs and getting paid huge amounts while qualified, hard working people are told "they are paid enough". What can you do right?

    You keep saying you know all these teachers. I think they would be shocked and a little hurt to read what you have written about them. By the time you take out the time it takes to plan every lesson, of every day, of every term, teachers are on around what everyone else is on 4-5 week a year with sick leave etc. Sorry KG but you clearly don't understand what's involved to say "plan your time better".

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    I've never, ever heard a teach say that...ever. They are striking at the moment due to funding cuts...not pay. So not sure exactly what their entitlements have to do with this discussion?
    Yes, can anyone say Gonski which this govt has backflipped on so many times and has promised billions less, with it's best offer. And it's the schools that need it most that are missing out.

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    Hmmm. Yes, we do care about the children. Hence why we are teachers. It is regrettable that you found the communication from your school lacking, but it sounds as if your child was able to be supervised for the day, and therefore could attend school, even if it was not with his regular teacher.
    As PP have pointed out, teachers strike for many reasons, including pay and conditions. Generally conditions directly relate the the quality of education your child receives. Eg. Class sizes, funding etc.
    When it is pay related, it does also impact the education your child recieves too. If teachers are not paid a fair amount for the job they do, quality teachers will leave the profession and new ones won't join. I'm sure it's in everyone's interests to ensure that the best and brightest teachers are attracted to, and remain in the business of teaching children.
    As for working 8-4 and having all the holidays as actual holidays, well I can dream on! I think I've got more chance of winning tattslotto than that happening Studies have shown that if you average out teachers hours over the year, including work done outside of the classroom, it averages out to a 40 hr week with 4 weeks a year annual leave, or thereabouts.
    Anyway, if its so good, maybe you could become a teacher?!

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    I bet this is a troll.

    Well I hope so anyway!


 

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