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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    My name was clearly in the original post. Polling would indicate that most share my views.

    ETA: Links for those who think I'm on my own.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...108-30g97.html
    http://www.umr.com.au/expertise/repo...ers-and-mining
    This online poll is worthless.

    That said, there is not doubt it is not hard to whip people into a xenophobic lather on this issue. The Tampa incident almost certainly delivered the 1998 election to Howard. On the other hand, promising to dismantle the "Pacific solution" was a net plus for Rudd in 2007.

    That didn't make the position of either leader correct or beyond criticism, and that's surely the point: let's aim for the best policy.

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    It is a good thing only if those people returned back to their homes are safe from persecution and danger.

    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    As of today, it has now been 100 days with no boat arrivals in Australia.
    On top of that, since the Coalition came to government, more than 600 'asylum seekers' have returned back to their homes. Labor was opening detention centres, now the Coalition is closing them down as the numbers in detention drop.
    This is surely a good thing for those who despise detention centres.

    It also says a lot about the legitimacy of some of the 'asylum seekers'. That over 400 of them have put up their hands and asked to go home. What were they fleeing from?

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    You know on average, Immigration officers know far more on the subject than you do - they also have access to all kinds of things that are used to work out if someone is genuine or not. Sometimes that takes years.

    They do not just go around handing out refugee visas, no matter what you may think about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    You know, that on average, only around 60% are found genuine on initial assessment. It is only after a couple of appeals does the number increase to the 90% mark.
    Around 80% of the 'no' decisions are overturned through the courts. Are the people making those original assessments incompetent to be wrong on so many occasions?

    You seem to like things from the 'horse's mouth' rather than from the dept.



    So maybe you'll take this former senior Immigration Department official's word for it. ie. the horse's mouth:

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...1226664169170#



    But hey. You can believe who you like. I just find it very hard to believe that 80% of the time DIAC's assessment is wrong. Maybe you can explain this?

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    PS, who is this dept official? What is his name?

    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    You know on average, Immigration officers know far more on the subject than you do - they also have access to all kinds of things that are used to work out if someone is genuine or not. Sometimes that takes years.

    They do not just go around handing out refugee visas, no matter what you may think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    PS, who is this dept official? What is his name?
    What is your name?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    This online poll is worthless.
    You misrepresent how the survey was conducted.

    From the first page:

    1,000 interviews each month; nationally representative sample interviewed online
    Age: 18+
    Fieldwork: 06 – 11 December 2013
    Data is weighted so the sample matches ABS census data to ensure a nationally representative sample
    Online panel members are primarily recruited offline and by invitation only, ruling out self-selection issues associated with some online methodologies, such as polls on the issue of the day commonly run by newspapers (where, for example, News Limited papers will obtain vastly different results from Fairfax newspapers on the same issue).
    Maximum margin of error at 95% confidence level: ±3.1% (n=1000)
    It is not an 'online poll', but the results of an invitation only interview that was conducted online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    You know on average, Immigration officers know far more on the subject than you do - they also have access to all kinds of things that are used to work out if someone is genuine or not. Sometimes that takes years.
    I'll take that as a compliment as it implies that I know more than some immigration officers. So thankyou.

    You are right. They have access to all kind of things. Which is why they have been rejecting around 40% of applicants. It is the courts and tribunals who are then overturning these knowledgeable officers' decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    What is your name?
    Are you willing to publish your own real name? Because it's not fair to demand personal information from others that you aren't willing to share yourself.

    In all seriousness though - Why not just say you don't know? What relevance does beebs' real name have?

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    I wouldn't get too excited, you don't know more than immigration officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    I'll take that as a compliment as it implies that I know more than some immigration officers. So thankyou.

    You are right. They have access to all kind of things. Which is why they have been rejecting around 40% of applicants. It is the courts and tribunals who are then overturning these knowledgeable officers' decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    I wouldn't get too excited, you don't know more than immigration officers
    Or

    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    You know on average, Immigration officers know far more on the subject than you do


    They are most definitely more knowledgeable, and I have faith that there decisions were valid and find it unbelievable that they would be wrong 80% of the time.
    On the other hand, you think they are knowledgeable, but at the same time agree that 80% of their decisions are wrong That doesn't make any sense. Are they right or wrong?


 

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