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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    You know that on average, around 90%+ have been found to be genuine?
    Yeah..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Sorry, I don't see your point. An appeal usually means more information is available for consideration, yes? Why is it so hard to believe that an initial assessment of a traumatised person may not contain all available info??
    That's just a guess of course, I hardly think you can expect ME to explain why DIAC is wrong??
    Interesting guess. Maybe you can give me an example of something that they didn't have on the first round of assessment but managed to get for the appeal? I can't think of anything.

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    Even so, my high school maths was never great, but 60% is still a majority, right? So say a thousand refugees, that is, what, 600 genuine refugees?
    What is happening to them?
    They are being processed then released on a visa.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    The point you seem to miss in these threads is that while the boats are apparently being stopped- the reasons that genuine refugees are in danger, being hunted, persecuted etc- those things HAVE NOT STOPPED. All that has happened is that they have one less safe port to flee to. Quibble all you like over numbers, delight all you like in the apparent success of the stop the boats "policy"- while it's true that some lives may have been saved in terms of them not drowning in ricketty boats in our waters, lives are still being lost elsewhere when people are being persecuted.
    So because Australia is not an option for them, people are dying because they are not fleeing in the first place anymore? That makes no sense. If one is being legitimately persecuted - they will flee to anywhere that is safer. How does Australia not being an option (by boat) stop people from fleeing? They can flee to any country, put their hand up, and then wait for a country to take them... even Australia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    ETA-I don't want people to risk their lives on unsafe boats, either. But stopping the boats landing HERE doesn't stop the boats full stop iykwim. And it does nothing to address the root causes.
    No, it does not address the root cause. But if you think that we can, maybe you can offer up a solution rather than just poo poo anything the government does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    You know that on average, around 90%+ have been found to be genuine?
    What would you do with the 10% that are not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    It's like doing a happy dance after patching a hole in a bucket that is constantly filling with water and ignoring the overflow from the rim because you're too busy showing everyone what a great patch job you did.
    That's true. But it is also the case that the best contribution Australian can make is through a generous humanitarian component of an orderly permanent migration program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    That's true. But it is also the case that the best contribution Australian can make is through a generous humanitarian component of an orderly permanent migration program.
    Yes- but we are t really doing that either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    What would you do with the 10% that are not?
    Send them to your place for a good lecturing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Yes- but we are t really doing that either.
    Our per capita refugee resettlement is second highest globally. But there is no reason why we cannot increase the humanitarian component further, say to 10% of the permanent migration program initially, which would be 19,000 a year.

    But irregular migration greatly complicates this, both in terms of community support and cost. Now that Abbott has declared the "way is closed" for people smugglers, we should take the opportunity to press for an increase in our humanitarian immigration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    Our per capita refugee resettlement is second highest globally. But there is no reason why we cannot increase the humanitarian component further, say to 10% of the permanent migration program initially, which would be 19,000 a year.

    But irregular migration greatly complicates this, both in terms of community support and cost. Now that Abbott has declared the "way is closed" for people smugglers, we should take the opportunity to press for an increase in our humanitarian immigration.
    I agree. We are all people. If we can help more- we should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    We are all people.
    We are us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    I agree. We are all people. If we can help more- we should.
    Just taking more people doesn't solve the root cause. So what should we do to address the root cause?


 

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