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    Quote Originally Posted by emily173 View Post
    That's not really answering the question though. If vaccines make the disease harmless, contracting them would be no bigger annoyance/unpleasantness than a cold or gastro. So why the big witch hunt?
    Because even if it's a mild case I still wouldn't want the disease. I hate getting colds and gastro! Gastro is the worst. Not only because it makes u feel awful but the financial implications because time off work, medical bills etc as some ppl actually get treated for dehydration when they get gastro. But then also for ur family. What if everyone in ur house gets it. Or then ur neighbours and then one person who isn't immunised and gets it and potentially is fatal for them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by emily173 View Post
    If it is commonly agreed that Vaccinated people either (a) don't contract the illness at all or (b) have a mild and harmless version of the illness thanks to the vaccine... What's the problem? If the vaccine does what it claims to why are you so worried about the risk from the unvaccinated?
    Because a child can get one of these diseases before they are able to vaccinated. Our they might not be able to get their needles because of medical reasons.
    My DD is a perfect example. Unable to get needles on time due to having open heart surgery/blood transfusions/on bypass machines plus she has a syndrome causing lower immunity.
    I live in an area where measles and WC is on the rise. Either of these illnesses could very well have killed her. She's not the only child out there relying on others to vaccinate in order to protect her. Thankfully though. . at 16 months she is up to date. Plus just had the flu jab too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    I could ask how you'd feel if your child got a VPD but I'm not really interested in appealing to your emotions- that's something the anti vax groups specialise in- cue pic of tiny baby, massive needles and poison labels..
    And showing videos of newborn babies suffering with whooping cough isnt a scare tactic??? Its the biggest scare tactic of the all. I have to agree with Emily173, my problem is we are old to avoid chemicals, cheese and pre-made salads (really) during pregnancy but as soon as the baby come out we have to pump them full of who knows what 'just in case' they come into contact with this disease. Please tell me what one day old baby is going to share needles or have unprotected s3x to contract hep b?? I am a firm believer in treating illness when needed. i mean i wouldnt take panadol everyday just in case i was to get a head ache or hurt myself. Or wear cases on my legs just in case i was to break a bone. Our medical system (hospitals) have come along way in 50 years and i really truely believe if my children where to contract one of these diseases our hospitals will have treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emily173 View Post
    That's not really answering the question though. If vaccines make the disease harmless, contracting them would be no bigger annoyance/unpleasantness than a cold or gastro. So why the big witch hunt?
    Ummm... Newborns!

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    Quote Originally Posted by emily173 View Post
    Troll? Really? I ask an honest question and I'm met with suspicion and accusations. Really, I'm trying to get a balanced perspective to my point of view about a real health issue.
    Okay then, define what you mean by, "if vaccines make the disease harmless" please?


    Do you think that disease would be 'harmless' to a newborn baby - or a person with a compromised immune system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grooviechic35 View Post
    Because even if it's a mild case I still wouldn't want the disease. I hate getting colds and gastro! Gastro is the worst. Not only because it makes u feel awful but the financial implications because time off work, medical bills etc as some ppl actually get treated for dehydration when they get gastro. But then also for ur family. What if everyone in ur house gets it. Or then ur neighbours and then one person who isn't immunised and gets it and potentially is fatal for them...

    Question, if these was a vaccine for gastro and the common cold, would you get it???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubintummy View Post
    A local (unvaccinated) kid was transferred to a big city hospital for a liver transplant last week, because of chickenpox. There is a huge outbreak of measles and chickenpox in my area. I just don't understand why anyone would want to put their child at certain risk. It's just crazy that so many preventable diseases are on the comeback.
    My children recently had chicken pox while unvaccinated. They had a <10 spots each, a mild temp and a runny nose. I have seen plenty of local kids have a much worse case of them and I know they are vaccinated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loislane2010 View Post
    Question, if these was a vaccine for gastro and the common cold, would you get it???
    There is a vaccine for a form of gastro - the rotavirus vaccine. And your better bloody believe I got it for my kids. And my son was hospitalised with rotavirus, his case was so severe that the dr was thankful he'd been vaccinated because if he hadnt it could have been much worse.

    Can a common cold cause blindness? Liver damage? Infertility? I think comparing the common cold to potentially dangerous VPD's is just ludicrous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emily173 View Post
    That's not really answering the question though. If vaccines make the disease harmless, contracting them would be no bigger annoyance/unpleasantness than a cold or gastro. So why the big witch hunt?
    Surely you know small babies cannot be vaccinated and so are vulnerable? Do you know much about people who are immuno compromised? That is, elderly folk, people with medical conditions like HIV, people undergoing chemo, those with other auto-immune diseases- not to mention those that cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. There is no witch hunt. No one is rounding up unvaccinated people and forcing vaccines upon them. But if my elderly gran dies from whooping cough, or my good friend who has an auto immune disease suffers permanent disability from measles, will I be upset that people aren't vaccinating to protect those more vulnerable? Yep.
    Not vaccinating is becoming more common and leading to the resurgence of these diseases. That's a fact. And these diseases can kill people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loislane2010 View Post
    And showing videos of newborn babies suffering with whooping cough isnt a scare tactic??? Its the biggest scare tactic of the all. I have to agree with Emily173, my problem is we are old to avoid chemicals, cheese and pre-made salads (really) during pregnancy but as soon as the baby come out we have to pump them full of who knows what 'just in case' they come into contact with this disease. Please tell me what one day old baby is going to share needles or have unprotected s3x to contract hep b?? I am a firm believer in treating illness when needed. i mean i wouldnt take panadol everyday just in case i was to get a head ache or hurt myself. Or wear cases on my legs just in case i was to break a bone. Our medical system (hospitals) have come along way in 50 years and i really truely believe if my children where to contract one of these diseases our hospitals will have treatment.
    It's not a scare tactic- it's a consequence of vaccine refusal. Babies die from WC. We are lucky enough to have a means to help minimise that risk.
    You don't have to avoid cheese, only soft cheese. That and the salad thing is to minimise listeria risk.
    It's not pumping them full of anything. It's small injections and the ingredients are there in the box- my doctor goes through them with me.
    You can't avoid chemicals, that's ridiculous. Water us a chemical.
    The hep b at birth can be delayed but it it to do with maternal transmission, not sex and needle sharing for baby. Jeez.
    If you truly believe hospitals can treat these VPDs you are wrong. They can try but there is no cure and people still die and suffer permanent disability from these diseases.

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