Don't believe what? Everything she has said is true, just go read all the formula threads. It is all there in black and white.
As to selfish, not all anti vaxxers are the same. Sorry, but the ones who plainly say they are quite comfortable piggy backing are behaving in a very selfish way. I know that isn't what all anti vaxxer's feel, of course a lot of them aren't behaving in a selfish way.
We had a big thread on this last year some time, basically a few studies have been done that shows that there is a tiny risk of a certain autoimmune disease about 1 in a million and it was something I'd never heard of - and I have multiple autoimmune diseases and consider myself well read on the subject.
Then there was another study that showed that if you get measles you have a 1 in 5000 chance of triggering a certain autoimmune disease, so once again, it showed that you have a higher risk of getting autoimmune disease if you catch the virus rather than if you have the vaccination. Lol - like it always does
I will try find you the links!
As for not vaxing being selfish... personally, I'm not going to back away from this. I don't know whether your choices match the following, so I don't know about you yourself, but this is what I consider selfish:
1) Knows that vaccines work, knows that Australia is much safer than say Africa because of it, and would vaccinate their children if they lived in places like African countries.
2) Decides that - because Australia has such high vaccination rates - the minimal risks of vaccinations are, on balance, worse than the chances of VPDs FOR THEIR OWN CHILDREN.
Now, that last part's important. Some may see that as simply making the best choice for their family... doing what's best for their children and hence being far from selfish. I personally think that valuing your own children much more highly than other peoples' lives IS selfish. I think that being selfish is not just about looking out for yourself, but also your family, well above others.
Now not everyone agrees with my views of what is selfish... but to me, that reasoning most definitely is.
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I also used the word selfish and I stand by it IF you are a piggy backer (which is what I said in my original comment)! If you are happy to ride on the fact that others are immunised then yes selfish choice. If you are not and can not immunised because of a genuine medical reason then no it's not selfish and that is the reason other must be vaccinated!
i.e. my sister doesn't like needles and therefore wouldn't get the whooping cough vaccine. I told her until she did she wouldn't be able to see my daughter when she was born. If she medically couldn't be vaccinated then different story...we would work something else out. But not vaccinating because "she doesn't like them" I'm sorry is just as bad of an excuse as free riding on others.
I know that 'selfish' has negative connotations, but if you consider the definition -
devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others.
characterized by or manifesting concern or care only for oneself
- and if we extend 'oneself' to mean 'oneself and one's own family', I'm not sure why anyone is up in arms over the use of the word in this context?
I would be petrified if my child missed a vac. I wouldn't even want to visit the local shopping centre, for fear of my little one perhaps touching the handle of a shopping trolley or being coughed on or sneezed at! Really, I just could not breathe knowing that my child was out there in the open, unvaccinated and at risk. And that's not extreme or far fetched, its the truth, people out there have diseases that could harm my child. I'd be living in a bubble if I thought otherwise. How naive.
I just read a story about a little girl who contracted measles (this seemingly "harmless" virus) as a toddler and died 10 years later due to complications that laid dormant. Why would anyone risk it?
"Life Is Ours, We Live It Our Way".
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