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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Either highlight where my views in this thread are inconsistent with the other thread or zip it/accept the title of stirrer.
    Don't tell me what to do. Your views are hypocritical. Full stop.

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    I'm not talking about what VP said in particular but I don't think it's hypocritical to claim entitlements even if you don't philosophically believe in them.

    I didn't vote Tony in - not my responsibility when he makes changes the country doesn't agree with. But I'm not going to turn down $50k if it's available.

    I would still prefer a different party to be in power where such payments were likely not forthcoming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Don't tell me what to do. Your views are hypocritical. Full stop.
    So you were just looking for an opportunity to attack and can't actually back what you are saying. Roger that, hope your day improves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyla View Post
    Sorry if you've answered this VP (I'm popping in and out of this thread casually) - why is it that you support 18 weeks? It's about 4.5 months so not long before the 6 month breast feeding recommendations..
    It's at minimum wage and is more affordable. The 26 weeks I think is way too long... Just crosses a psychological barrier for me. And the original plan was for 26 weeks full pay capped at $100,000 which I think is too expensive. It's not fair on businesses who already have to find a replacement employee and it's not fair on taxpayers. And I suppose I am not really a socialist: I believe people should pay their own way more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    It's at minimum wage and is more affordable. The 26 weeks I think is way too long... Just crosses a psychological barrier for me. And the original plan was for 26 weeks full pay capped at $100,000 which I think is too expensive. It's not fair on businesses who already have to find a replacement employee and it's not fair on taxpayers. And I suppose I am not really a socialist: I believe people should pay their own way more.
    You obviously DONT understand what was proposed.
    Original cap for income was 150k ( full years wage) so 6 months of that would be 75k.
    Now it's 100k so 6 months would be 50k

    Edit- also isn't it better for employers to have longer time with new employees ( rather than hire someone for 18 weeks then get rid of them) AND tax payers are NOT footing the bill

    Maybe you should educate yourself before posting
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    Quote Originally Posted by maternidade View Post
    You obviously DONT understand what was proposed.
    Original cap for income was 150k ( full years wage) so 6 months of that would be 75k.
    Now it's 100k so 6 months would be 50k

    Edit- also isn't it better for employers to have longer time with new employees ( rather than hire someone for 18 weeks then get rid of them) AND tax payers are NOT footing the bill

    Maybe you should educate yourself before posting
    Sorry I was typing as I was walking the pram... $150,000 , $100,000 either way I think it's a load of poo. But I sincerely aplogise for the obvious distress that my typo has caused you

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    Sorry, but a mum is a mum is a mum and a dad is a dad is a dad. If you don't work, you should get the new PPL at the minimum wage. If you do work, you should get it at your pay rate, if you earn over $100k, you should still get it, but at the same rate a parent earning $100k would get it.

    I guess we have to look at why these changes are being proposed. Does Tony Abott want to keep mums at home for longer 'where they should be' (not my opinion at all, but I'm sure it is his!) or is it so that employers will stop their payments (may not happen in every business) hence making them increase their profits ie looking after businesses, or something else???

    having said that, I don't agree with the new arrangements, when they are thinking of cutting many benefits including FTB and taxing those earning over $80k. Those changes are almost being put in place to counteract the ridiculous amounts of money the government is planning on forking out PPL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili81 View Post
    So you actually agree with me
    I'm saying that we should get our super contributions paid while on 18 weeks on PPL. I never mentioned an extended leave.

    In my home country, where we don't believe that a women's place is at home and happy to support each other through tax, the more babies you had the earlier one can access their defined benefit pension.

    Oh also childcare and school are free.

    Oh also you get your full salary for 4-6 months on maternity leave.

    Oh also you get paid to be a SAHM.

    You'd think that most people have 5 kids family hey?!

    Still kicking hubby to go back there lol
    Can I ask for an in a nutshell summary of how taxation works there? Eg tax rates, do they have brackets, do they have welfare?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    It's at minimum wage and is more affordable. The 26 weeks I think is way too long... Just crosses a psychological barrier for me. And the original plan was for 26 weeks full pay capped at $100,000 which I think is too expensive. It's not fair on businesses who already have to find a replacement employee and it's not fair on taxpayers. And I suppose I am not really a socialist: I believe people should pay their own way more.
    Thanks. I also wouldn't class myself as a socialist but I don't see ppl as welfare either, it serves a bigger purpose than just giving people a hand out. I think the labour, family landscape has changed so much that we need to provide families with better support not saying I agree with what's on offer either.

    I think I like @Lili81 idea - 75%, 26 weeks plus super. I'd go the super over the payment to be honest - the super is the biggest concern for me staying out of the workforce for too long. My mum was out 10 years and it has knocked a massive whack out of her super compared to others that even went back in 5 years. I also think super provides us with an important safety net as individuals and as a nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    So you were just looking for an opportunity to attack and can't actually back what you are saying. Roger that, hope your day improves.
    I think it's hypocritical of you to say people should save up but then complain you have to reduce your mortgage because you're relying on ppl.

    My my day is fine, thanks


 

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