You know when I started this thread I didn't even make the connection with bullying. But that's exactly what it is! So Thankyou everyone for clarifying that for me. Yes girls can be such cows. And now when I think back, I can think of a couple more comments where dd6 says she was told what to do by other kids. I need to help her learn to defend herself and stand up for herself. Problem there is I was never too good at that myself. I fudged through primary school and had a best friend who did all my defending for me lol.