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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    So a politician should never change their mind? Rudd was great at changing his mind, being the populist that he was. But I guess that is why Shorten is still hanging onto the Carbon Tax (because one must not change his mind), despite Rudd apparently having 'terminated' it last year.
    I hope that once it is gone, Shorten will go to the next election with the plan to bring it back. That will be a winning policy right there
    Sure politicians can change their minds- unless they're red haired, female PMs, amirite??

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    Kevin Rudd knew how to run an office.

    KEVIN Rudd’s department gave two environment department staffers just two days to secretly cost and assess the risks of its scheme to deliver pink batts to every uninsulated Australian home.

    Environment Department Assistant-Secretary Mary Wiley-Smith ... told the commission she’d received a call late on the Friday of the Australia Day long weekend in 2009 from a Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet staffer.
    She was told she and another environment department official had to cost and consider the risks of two massive government programs by the Monday — which was a public holiday.

    Nice bloke.

    And don't bother talking about it to anyone.

    Ms Wiley-Smith ... also confirmed she and her fellow bureaucrat were told to keep the matter confidential and they could not ring industry representatives to seek advice.
    Never mind the resulting deaths.

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    You have never called it "changing your mind", you have always referred to it as "backflipping". Or is it if Labor does it it is "backflipping", but if Libs do it it is "changing their minds"? Your Double standards are actually quiet full on. It is interesting to me that you just can't see that you do it all...the....time!

    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    So a politician should never change their mind? Rudd was great at changing his mind, being the populist that he was. But I guess that is why Shorten is still hanging onto the Carbon Tax (because one must not change his mind), despite Rudd apparently having 'terminated' it last year.
    I hope that once it is gone, Shorten will go to the next election with the plan to bring it back. That will be a winning policy right there

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    I have heard that he he was a **** to work for, but no one here is denying that. There are mean people in all work places, he just happened to be the prime minister. On the other hand, people say that Gillard was one of the nicest people to work for. So see, it isn't a Labor thing at all - it is a person thing.

    As to the deaths - there is NO way that was Labor's fault. It was the shady dodgy people who hired kids who had NO qualifications and NO experience to carry out dangerous work. The only people who blame the government are those looking for something to pin on them (i.e. lib supporters) and the ignorant ones, who know Jack about how anything works but believe what Alan Jones says.

    That scheme was a good idea, as was the school halls scheme, ask anyone in the industry - they would have gone under if they didn't get that steady work at that time, it kept our economy afloat as did the bonus that the Govt handed out for Aussies to spend to keep the economy going. Don't believe me - go look at what the world economists have said about it. It has been said, that Kevin Rudd kept this country out of recession. This is really not and us vs them thing - I don't particularly like Rudd, but credit where credit is due and all that.

    Your constant *****ing about Labor just makes you look like one of those little old ladies with the no mining tax sign. You are looking for faults, when there just isn't any to try and prove your point that Libs are the best. Very strange.

    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Kevin Rudd knew how to run an office.



    Nice bloke.

    And don't bother talking about it to anyone.



    Never mind the resulting deaths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    As to the deaths - there is NO way that was Labor's fault. It was the shady dodgy people who hired kids who had NO qualifications and NO experience to carry out dangerous work.
    The irony of the Coalition position is that they are blaming Labor for doing something that they are recommending in all other cases: namely, cutting red tape and allowing industries to self-regulate. Of course, in the context of the GFC Labor also had little choice -- they were following the strong advice of Treasury secretary Ken Henry to "get the money out the door as quickly as possible".

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    You have never called it "changing your mind", you have always referred to it as "backflipping". Or is it if Labor does it it is "backflipping", but if Libs do it it is "changing their minds"? Your Double standards are actually quiet full on. It is interesting to me that you just can't see that you do it all...the....time!
    I would call it a backflip if it was in government. It is government who make policy and get elected on such policy. The opposition can do whatever they like. But hey, I don't really care which word you use.

    Just like they have now 'changed their mind' and no longer want to terminate the carbon tax, despite Rudd apparently having done so prior to the last election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    As to the deaths - there is NO way that was Labor's fault. It was the shady dodgy people who hired kids who had NO qualifications and NO experience to carry out dangerous work. The only people who blame the government are those looking for something to pin on them (i.e. lib supporters) and the ignorant ones, who know Jack about how anything works but believe what Alan Jones says.
    So I guess the Royal Commission are just gullible folk who believe Alan Jones and know 'Jack' about how anything works???

    Bureaucrats planning the botched pink batts scheme knew shoddy insulation installations were likely to result in fires, injuries and even death, an inquiry has heard.

    Four young men died installing insulation under the former Rudd government program, which has also been blamed for at least one serious injury and hundreds of house fires.
    A royal commission into the program heard on Wednesday that the government's environment department knew of the risks by mid-March 2009, a month after the scheme's announcement.
    The department received and responded to emails from industry bodies that warned about potential safety hazards, including electrical fires.
    An email from National Electrical and Communications Association (NECA) to former environment minister Peter Garrett on March 9, 2009 even raised the risk of new installers being ignorant about electrical safety hazards.
    A senior environment department staffer who responded to the email acknowledged there was the risk of installers not being appropriately trained.
    The inquiry was also shown a risk assessment document, developed before the scheme's rollout, that identified the potential for dodgy installers and shonky installations under the program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    The irony of the Coalition position is that they are blaming Labor for doing something that they are recommending in all other cases: namely, cutting red tape and allowing industries to self-regulate. Of course, in the context of the GFC Labor also had little choice -- they were following the strong advice of Treasury secretary Ken Henry to "get the money out the door as quickly as possible".
    The industry was the one providing the warnings. They would have self-regulated much better than the government.

    The department received and responded to emails from industry bodies that warned about potential safety hazards, including electrical fires.

    An email from National Electrical and Communications Association (NECA) to former environment minister Peter Garrett on March 9, 2009 even raised the risk of new installers being ignorant about electrical safety hazards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    The industry was the one providing the warnings. They would have self-regulated much better than the government.
    If the insulation installers had self-regulated properly, there would not have been any deaths. The NECA is not part of that industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    If the insulation installers had self-regulated properly, there would not have been any deaths. The NECA is not part of that industry.
    I can only go by what has been reported. You will note that 'emails' is plural, as is 'bodies'. This implies that there were more than one associated body that raised concerns. Concerns which the government ignored.

    The department received and responded to emails from industry bodies that warned about potential safety hazards, including electrical fires.


 
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