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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Perhaps, but then - lets not forget that Tony Abbott said- "There are respectable arguments for an ETS but the one Labor has in mind could easily be expensive and futile. I am wary of a system which creates new vested interests - which an ETS will do. I suspect that a straight carbon tax or charge could be more transparent and easier to change if conditions change or our understanding of the science changes."
    So a politician should never change their mind? Rudd was great at changing his mind, being the populist that he was. But I guess that is why Shorten is still hanging onto the Carbon Tax (because one must not change his mind), despite Rudd apparently having 'terminated' it last year.
    I hope that once it is gone, Shorten will go to the next election with the plan to bring it back. That will be a winning policy right there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hootenanny View Post
    As opposed to the competence of the government??
    Who have done nothing!!
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    What has he done apart from stop the boats.....?
    Has he done nothing? Or not? You seem to have quite a subjective scorecard.

    Maybe you can explain why he was awarded a 'FAIL' in your listed subjects? I'm especially interested in your marking criteria for International relations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    So a politician should never change their mind? Rudd was great at changing his mind, being the populist that he was. But I guess that is why Shorten is still hanging onto the Carbon Tax (because one must not change his mind), despite Rudd apparently having 'terminated' it last year.
    I'm pretty sure Shorten's position is in line with Rudd's announcement to drop support for a fixed carbon price and move straight to an ETS model, which was the original Labor plan anyway, also proposed by Howard and supported by Turnbull when he was Opposition leader.

    What fascinates me is what those who deny anthropogenic climate change (such as yourself, Father) think about the Coalition's Direct Action plan, which is a very expensive piece of policy pottage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    What fascinates me is what those who deny anthropogenic climate change (such as yourself, Father) think about the Coalition's Direct Action plan, which is a very expensive piece of policy pottage.
    I think its a waste of money and he should ditch it. My fingers are crossed that the Senate will support the axing of the carbon tax, but at the same time, not support the Direct Action plan. That money can be better spent somewhere else where else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    I think its a waste of money and he should ditch it. My fingers are crossed that the Senate will support the axing of the carbon tax, but at the same time, not support the Direct Action plan. That money can be better spent somewhere else where else.
    So we ditch all emission reduction targets. At least you are consistent as a denier of climate change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    So we ditch all emission reduction targets. At least you are consistent as a denier of climate change.
    I do not deny that the climate changes. Nor do I know anyone who would deny such a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    I do not deny that the climate changes. Nor do I know anyone who would deny such a thing.
    Pardon my shorthand . I think people realize that "climate-change denier" is a term in common parlance that refers to those who reject the idea that anthropogenic activity is a major cause of serious global warming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    Pardon my shorthand . I think people realize that "climate-change denier" is a term in common parlance that refers to those who reject the idea that anthropogenic activity is a major cause of serious global warming.
    I would prefer to be referred to as skeptic rather than a denier. But I understand that this particular debate is one that will always result in name calling by those that strongly believe in the theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    I would prefer to be referred to as skeptic rather than a denier. But I understand that this particular debate is one that will always result in name calling by those that strongly believe in the theory.
    Not into name-calling myself, so as long as we agree on the content that's fine with me. However, I would point out (as I did in another post about the name change of the Australian Vaccination Network) that a "skeptic" forms their beliefs on the basis of the overall balance of scientific evidence. So the term would not seem appropriate for either them or you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    Not into name-calling myself, so as long as we agree on the content that's fine with me. However, I would point out (as I did in another post about the name change of the Australian Vaccination Network) that a "skeptic" forms their beliefs on the basis of the overall balance of scientific evidence. So the term would not seem appropriate for either them or you.
    I am widely read on this topic. Are you? Who do you refer to in order to get your 'balance of scientific evidence'? Have you read any skeptical papers?


 

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