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    Quote Originally Posted by crankyoldcow View Post
    I just want to clear up a common misconception.

    Mental illness itself does not make a person violent.

    Mental illness can exacerbate violent behaviour in already abusive men (and women) but it is not the cause of the violence in the first place.

    I am speaking from first hand experience and extensive research here. Exdh was violent and abusive and has a mental illness. He was certainly more abusive when his illness was not well controlled, but he was an abuisve man anway. The mental illness just made him worse.
    No, mental illness doesn't cause a person to be violent, per se. I'm thinking more along the lines of psychotic illness and delusions, which can cause a person to be violent if they are scared or experiencing severely altered reality.

    Obviously I don't know if this was the case with this man. But it can and does happen. It's a terrible thing

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    I usually have some level of empathy towards those battling mental health issues and have in the past been able to feel empathy (without condoning the act if self) towards parents that have killed their children (like the mother that starved her twins in brisbane that was clearly suffering PND and had tried to get help, the one that drowned her sons in Canada that was also clearly reaching out and even a small flicker of empathy for the man that threw his child of the bridge. I have personally battled mental health issues and can somewhat understand the depths the illness can take someone so it is easier for me to separate the person from the illness. But this case has me distraught and totally makes me question everything. Snapping and throwing a child off a bridge in a moment of madness, slowly having your mind disintegrate into psychosis where you believe you are feeding your child enough or that your child is better off without you just seems miles away from being premeditated enough to bring a knife and wait until the "ideal" time to attack. Fair enough he did have a mental illness but I read he also smoked pot, drank heavily and refused treatment. I am also distraught that this man will totally destroy all the work that has been done in breaking down the stigma of mental illness so that people can openly talk about it and seek help. Really... Iam totally speechless... I just cannot fathom how he could be so pre meditated and evil... He was happily bowling cricket balls to him and then walked over and bashed him with a cricket bat then stabbed his own child while he was unconscious for gods sake, after playing with him, not in a moment of rage or from loss of control.!? It's just Beyond comprehension...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    I think it all comes down to needing stronger laws around family violence and a better mental health system.
    Our whole mental health system is a complete disgrace. Mental health is clearly really taking an enormous toll on the community and far too many lives are lost every year.. I just can't help but wonder if more was done, if help was readily available and laws took it serious and forced help on those that clearly need it but refuse then maybe more lives could be saved. It's not about making excuses for those with mental health issues like people think....it's about putting programs and facilities in place that could potentially save lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipperRita View Post
    Our whole mental health system is a complete disgrace. Mental health is clearly really taking an enormous toll on the community and far too many lives are lost every year.. I just can't help but wonder if more was done, if help was readily available and laws took it serious and forced help on those that clearly need it but refuse then maybe more lives could be saved. It's not about making excuses for those with mental health issues like people think....it's about putting programs and facilities in place that could potentially save lives.
    Yes, I agree.

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    I cannot wrap my mind around the father doing this to his child. I under stand he was mentally ill buy to premeditate doing that to his son when the boy clearly loves his dad honestly makes me sick to my stomach. DF had a fight with a man at work who made a terrible joke about this boy today.
    My heart truly for out to the mother and family. And to all the kids who witnessed the event last night..

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    Quote Originally Posted by crankyoldcow View Post
    There is no doubt in my mind that this was premeditated. The father lived 30km from the cricket field. He packed a knife. Who brings a knife to a kids cricket match? Driving 30km should have meant he had plenty of time to think about what he was going to do.

    I've read the ABC news website account of the attack. He does have a history of unstable behaviour, but he also has a history of violence. The mother also had an AVO out against him and he was only allowed to see the child in public.

    It *should* have been a safe environment.

    The whole thing makes me feel ill.
    Wow that is just atrocious.
    How on earth can someone assume a public place makes someone safe?
    I really feel there was a serious error of judgement with the mother here and she will have to live with that for the rest of her life.
    He was violent toward her and they were watching him on that, it seems to me he's done this to hurt her which would suggest he's more a psychopath than a loving father with mental illness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdgirl View Post
    Wow that is just atrocious.
    How on earth can someone assume a public place makes someone safe?
    I really feel there was a serious error of judgement with the mother here and she will have to live with that for the rest of her life.
    He was violent toward her and they were watching him on that, it seems to me he's done this to hurt her which would suggest he's more a psychopath than a loving father with mental illness.
    My understanding is it was court ordered access?

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    I don't know that much about it, the bred reports I read weren't very detailed.
    I was just saying if what pp posted were the case.

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    This is one of those stories that will stay with me for a long time. I thought what the mother said:

    "I want to tell people that family violence happens to [anybody], no matter how nice your house is, no matter how intelligent you are," she said.

    "When you're involved with family violence, friends, family judge you, the woman. The decisions you should make, the decisions you don't make.

    "You're the victim, but you become the person that people condemn."

    made me think of a couple of threads on here ATM.

    These kind of stories just make me despair. It feels as though males in society are becoming more and more disconnected and at risk of causing harm or being irrevocably harmed. It makes me terrified for my son.

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    I only just saw this news story on TV and know nothing of the situation apart from a young child being killed by his father. They showed a very short footage of the little boy in a happier moment of his life and it cut me like a knife that a parent could do that to their beautiful child. It doesn't matter whether they were sick or not, it happened, this boy's life was taken by one of the people he loved the most in this world, and this mother lost her precious son. So terrible, just awful.


 

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