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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberleygal1 View Post
    I know the procedure has been performed on many children when they are older.
    Sorry, but you can't just say things like that as evidence. Many boys? Compared to what? What percentage? I see many children at my sons Early Intervention, that doesn't mean the majority of children are special needs. Do you see what I mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    falling rebate numbers are simply incompatible with the oft-heard contention that circumcision is becoming "more popular".
    Quote Originally Posted by Nkozi View Post
    I do wonder if a decline in circumcisions can really be viewed as synonymous with a decline in the 'popularity' of circumcision, in the sense of it being seen by parents as a good choice to make (or not make, as the case might be) on behalf of their sons.
    I can see where JohnC is coming from with the term 'popular'. I think he is referring to the term 'popular'* as something that is accepted and done by many, not just accepted by many?

    In using that definition and looking at the number of procedures performed he's correct in saying that a small decline in numbers couldn't equate to an increase in popularity.

    I think if you're talking of popularity in terms of "accepted but not done for whatever reason", you're right. A conclusion can't be drawn just based on the figures in the chart.

    Personally I tend to think of popularity in terms of the number of procedures done
    eg. if I hear that a procedure is becoming more popular, I'd assume the numbers have actually increased, and not just a decline in negative attitudes towards the procedure or an increase in acceptance of the procedure, without people actually getting it done (If this was the case I'd probably use the term "more accepted" rather than "more popular".)


    *Definition from Merriam-Webster: accepted, followed, used, or done by many people

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    In fact the majority of infant circumcisions are today performed by GPs in "clinics", with about 30% done in private hospitals.

    About 3-4% of all boys are circumcised between the ages of 1 and 14 years.
    The procedure is performed in specialised clinics eg "Circumcision Clinic" by a specialist or in a private hospital by a specialist. You can not walk in to a GP's clinic and have the procedure done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberleygal1 View Post
    The procedure is performed in specialised clinics eg "Circumcision Clinic" by a specialist or in a private hospital by a specialist. You can not walk in to a GP's clinic and have the procedure done.
    All the main "Circumcision Clinics" I know of are in fact operated by GPs, not specialists. The highest volume examples are the Russell Medical Centre in Brisbane and Circumwise in Melbourne but there are plenty of others. The exception is probably Dilley in Sydney, who is a paed.

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    Growing opposition to this unique (surgical excision of normal, healthy, functional tissue without the consent of the person concered) practice within the medical communty along with a growing awareness among the population of the value and important (protective, sexual & immunological) functions of the foreskin are likely both factors in the inexorable decline of this strange social custom.

    "Half of the Australian Doctor community believe that the circumcision of newborns is tantamount to child abuse and should never be performed, a survey reveals." Australian Doctor, 2012

    http://www.australiandoctor.com.au/n...n-circumcision

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    There are 91,000 doctors registered to practice medicine in Australia (2012 figure). Given the strong financial incentive to circumcise (up to $800 a time) and the complete lack of regulation around the practice, it's perhaps surprising that for every doctor prepared to circumcise a normal, healthy child, there are several hundred that will not participate this this practice.

    Dr John D'Arcy sums-up the broader position of the Australian medical community in 30 seconds flat.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=15nXQoQdJOY

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    For the financial year 2013-14 there were 16,879 circumcisions performed on children aged under 6 months (out of a birth cohort > 150,000 boys) by 223 doctors, according to Medicare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    For the financial year 2013-14 there were 16,879 circumcisions performed on children aged under 6 months (out of a birth cohort > 150,000 boys) by 223 doctors, according to Medicare.
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    For the financial year 2013-14 there were 16,879 circumcisions performed on children aged under 6 months (out of a birth cohort > 150,000 boys) by 223 doctors, according to Medicare.
    Hi JohnC,

    I was wondering if you might be able to provide statistics for baby boys being circumcised at or above 6 months, rather than just those under 6 months; the reason I ask is that although the statistics you provide certainly account for circumcisions performed in what might be termed the newborn period and early infancy, I wondered if there might not be any increase/decrease during what might be called 'later infancy'. I am just interested as to how accurate the numbers you provide are in terms of the overall picture they give of circumcision of baby boys, as I thought that the 16,879 figure (slightly over 10% by my calculation, given the approximate overall birth cohort) could not, by your definition, take account of the percentage all baby boys circumcised. Also, I am interested as to how accurate the Medicare figures are in terms of the view of circumcision they provide, given that, as I understand it, circumcisions not generating a Medicare rebate (e.g. circumcisions by private practitioners, ritual circumcisions etc.) would not be included in the statistics as given. I realise that my view of these statistics may come across as cynical given my pro-circumcision perspective, but I am purely interested in getting the most accurate view of the number of baby boys being circumcised at present. I hope you don't mind me asking these questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nkozi View Post
    Hi JohnC,

    I was wondering if you might be able to provide statistics for baby boys being circumcised at or above 6 months, rather than just those under 6 months; the reason I ask is that although the statistics you provide certainly account for circumcisions performed in what might be termed the newborn period and early infancy, I wondered if there might not be any increase/decrease during what might be called 'later infancy'. I am just interested as to how accurate the numbers you provide are in terms of the overall picture they give of circumcision of baby boys, as I thought that the 16,879 figure (slightly over 10% by my calculation, given the approximate overall birth cohort) could not, by your definition, take account of the percentage all baby boys circumcised. Also, I am interested as to how accurate the Medicare figures are in terms of the view of circumcision they provide, given that, as I understand it, circumcisions not generating a Medicare rebate (e.g. circumcisions by private practitioners, ritual circumcisions etc.) would not be included in the statistics as given. I realise that my view of these statistics may come across as cynical given my pro-circumcision perspective, but I am purely interested in getting the most accurate view of the number of baby boys being circumcised at present. I hope you don't mind me asking these questions.
    We had our third son circumcised 2 weeks ago. The rate of circumcisions in WA has risen in the past year by 8% which I found interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nkozi View Post
    Hi JohnC,

    I was wondering if you might be able to provide statistics for baby boys being circumcised at or above 6 months, rather than just those under 6 months; the reason I ask is that although the statistics you provide certainly account for circumcisions performed in what might be termed the newborn period and early infancy, I wondered if there might not be any increase/decrease during what might be called 'later infancy'.
    Statistics indicate that the numbers have also fallen in the past year for boys > 6 months

    For the financial year 2013-14:
    MBS item 30656 (Over 6 months but under 10) =3,509
    MBS item 30659 (Over 10 years) = 978


    For the previous financial year 2012-13:
    MBS item 30656 (Over 6 months but under 10) =3,886
    MBS item 30659 (Over 10 years) = 975

    You can see the state breakdowns by putting the item numbers in the report generator here: https://www.medicareaustralia.gov.au...mbs_item.shtml
    (MBS items 30653 for under 6 months, 30656 over 6 months but 10 years and under & 30659 for over 10 years)


    Edited to add:
    In WA, the increase in the last year (2012-13 to 2013-14) for boys 10 and under was 4.15%
    Overall increase for all males in WA was 3.8% as there was a decrease in the number of males over 10 having the procedure.
    Last edited by sky1; 19-10-2014 at 10:45. Reason: Adding info for WA


 
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