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    I read this yesterday on a different news site and when I got to the end, I thought the headline was misleading. While not being able to BF would have contributed, I don't think it was the main reason for her committing suicide. She suffered from PND and didn't get adequate help.

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    Can someone please copy/paste the text from this article into the thread?

    My computer refuses to cooperate with the website in the link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauzy View Post
    I read this yesterday on a different news site and when I got to the end, I thought the headline was misleading. While not being able to BF would have contributed, I don't think it was the main reason for her committing suicide. She suffered from PND and didn't get adequate help.
    I don't think anyone is saying it was the main reason, we are saying the hospital placed the need to address bfing above her mental health. Which to me speaks volumes about the priorities of anti natal staff...

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    I've had someone on this forum tell me I didn't try hard enough. When I was recovering from a c/section with a uterus infection with newborn twins a 3 year old and no car to source donor milk. Apparently had I driven all around sydney - I would have been able to have the twins on 100% donor milk - never mind one was lactose intolerant, which this twit also said didn't actually exist. I've been called disgusting by someone when I was buying Lactose free formula. I also had a woman come and start having a go at me in a cafe about how formula is poison (it was EBM) in front of my mother and a crowd of strangers, all the while suffering PND.

    So NO, it was never all in my head - and I didn't just "read things the wrong way".

    It has gotten to the point now, where I see how militant breastfeeders treat others, and I have started to hate the whole thing. I used to consider myself pro breastfeeding. But the meanness I have seen towards ffing - has annoyed me so much. I am now very much on the healthy happy mum = healthy happy bub, no matter what - even if they never try breast feeding. I never used to think like that.

    I actually think militant breastfeeders are doing a really big disservice to the cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I don't think anyone is saying it was the main reason, we are saying the hospital placed the need to address bfing above her mental health. Which to me speaks volumes about the priorities of anti natal staff...
    My post wasn't directed at anyone one who replied in this thread. It was about the article itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    I've had someone on this forum tell me I didn't try hard enough. When I was recovering from a c/section with a uterus infection with newborn twins a 3 year old and no car to source donor milk. Apparently had I driven all around sydney - I would have been able to have the twins on 100% donor milk - never mind one was lactose intolerant, which this twit also said didn't actually exist. I've been called disgusting by someone when I was buying Lactose free formula. I also had a woman come and start having a go at me in a cafe about how formula is poison (it was EBM) in front of my mother and a crowd of strangers, all the while suffering PND.

    So NO, it was never all in my head - and I didn't just "read things the wrong way".

    It has gotten to the point now, where I see how militant breastfeeders treat others, and I have started to hate the whole thing. I used to consider myself pro breastfeeding. But the meanness I have seen towards ffing - has annoyed me so much. I am now very much on the healthy happy mum = healthy happy bub, no matter what - even if they never try breast feeding. I never used to think like that.

    I actually think militant breastfeeders are doing a really big disservice to the cause.
    Beebs how bloody awful for you. People are so freaking insensitive and cruel. I agree 100% with you about the militant bf'ers. They really aren't helping their cause and just push already vulnerable people to dark places.

    I also agree that happy mum = happy bub. How can anyone argue with that?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    It has gotten to the point now, where I see how militant breastfeeders treat others, and I have started to hate the whole thing. I used to consider myself pro breastfeeding. But the meanness I have seen towards ffing - has annoyed me so much. I am now very much on the healthy happy mum = healthy happy bub, no matter what - even if they never try breast feeding. I never used to think like that.

    I actually think militant breastfeeders are doing a really big disservice to the cause.
    Complete agree. I always considered myself pro bfing but anti ff bashing. I think the more aggressive bfers are actually driving women away from their cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    What needs to happen is for education to include the message that "ff is ok too." And for mothers to not judge themselves harshly.
    This absolutely needs to happen.

    When I had DS, I was young (17) and to be honest a little afraid of breastfeeding... I told a midwife in the hospital that I wanted to formula feed him straight away, to which she replied, exact words- "Wouldn't it be a shame if you didn't even try to breast feed him?"
    I felt ashamed at myself for even considering ff after that remark. So I reluctantly agreed and attempted to bf him. I lasted 3 days and PND took hold the day after I got home.
    During my stay I felt pressured to continue bfing even though it was a struggle; DS was slightly jaundiced and the nurses made me feel like he would only improve if I continued bfing.
    I definitely got the impression that formula was a dirty word.
    I knew the benefits of bfing but physically couldn't continue. I never knew why it just didn't "work" until having DD 13 years later and having a great LC inform me that my nipples were the problem, my babies could not correctly latch and I would require nipple shields etc.. with DS I had continued to attach him and it ended with me having bruised and bleeding nipples.
    I didn't suffer with PND after DD whatsoever. A coincedence, maybe. All I know is the pressure put on me with DS tainted the first few days of his life for me and it sure *contributed* to my PND.



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    Without reading all other responses, I think feeding issues were certainly a contributing factor but I don't think (based on what the article says) that they were the only problem. It says that her health visitor did not complete the mental health assessment questions and that the hospital noticed her depression but did not address it. The impression I get is that this lady was a victim of a system that failed her.
    I have no idea how leaving someone on a pump all day would help. I'd be interested to know what hospital this was, because that sounds ridiculous to me. It's horrible that they reached out for help multiple times yet no one did anything about her PND. I wonder if she presented better than she really was? Because if she just appeared a teary, tired new mum asking for bf help I can kind of see how it may have been overlooked- and if someone asks for bf help- well, that's what you give them, I guess. I don't know. If you see multiple nurses and drs it may be hard for them to piece together, from their combined interaction, exactly what was going on. I do think it's possible that if the health visitor had completed the assessment and found she was at risk for PND she may have gotten some help and still been here today. I feel so sorry for her family and for her- I cannot imagine feeling that there was nothing left to live for

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    I have no idea how leaving someone on a pump all day would help. I'd be interested to know what hospital this was, because that sounds ridiculous to me.
    I understand that it was a NHS hospital in the UK, I'm not sure which one though

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