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    The evidence and the overwhelming amount of specialists in the field that show that this is happening really just can't be ignored, no matter what your agenda is. If you truly believe that global warming (in this way) isn't being cause by humans) you either have rocks in your head, or you don't value science. Either way, there is no point debating someone like that. It is like trying to debate the Darwin theory with an evolutionist - doesn't matter how much evidence you provide.... "God did it".

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    Interesting- this from Santer's wiki page:

    Santer and 40 other scientists responded to the Wall Street Journal that all IPCC procedural rules were followed, and that IPCC procedures required changes to the draft in response to comments from governments, individual scientists, and non-governmental organizations. They stated that the pre- and post-Madrid versions of Chapter 8 were equally cautious in their statements; that roughly 20% of Chapter 8 is devoted to the discussion of uncertainties in estimates of natural climate variability and the expected signal due to human activities; and that both versions of the chapter reached the same conclusion: "Taken together, these results point towards a human influence on climate."[7]

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    November was the hottest November ever recorded around the world. Even the oceans were warmer.
    That's what NOAA have said.

    The global temperature datasets of UAH and RSS disagree. They show Nov 2013 as the 9th warmest and 16th warmest Novembers respectively.

    You can't always believe what you read. Russia had quite a warm month though.

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    Here is November.

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    Ah Doctor Roy Spencer, a climate denier if there ever was one. How surprising.

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    But you believe what you read?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Ah Doctor Roy Spencer, a climate denier if there ever was one. How surprising.
    I'm not sure how one can 'deny the climate'??? How about you attack the data, not the person.

    Dr Spencer's bio:

    Roy W. Spencer received his Ph.D. in meteorology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1981. Before becoming a Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville in 2001, he was a Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, where he and Dr. John Christy received NASA’s Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal for their global temperature monitoring work with satellites. Dr. Spencer’s work with NASA continues as the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite. He has provided congressional testimony several times on the subject of global warming.

    Dr. Spencer’s research has been entirely supported by U.S. government agencies: NASA, NOAA, and DOE. He has never been asked by any oil company to perform any kind of service. Not even Exxon-Mobil.
    Is his data wrong beebs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    I'm not sure how one can 'deny the climate'??? How about you attack the data, not the person.

    Dr Spencer's bio:



    Is his data wrong beebs?
    What makes his right and the other data wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    What makes his right and the other data wrong?
    Nothing. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. Which dataset would you rather rely on to determine if Nov 2013 was the hottest? There are a few. I have already given you UAH and RSS.


 

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