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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles10 View Post
    For those who say there must be more to the story - is this because you also find the act of a forced caesarean and removal of a child disturbing?

    Is there anyone that thinks these acts are justifiable? Under what conditions, would these be justifiable?
    I'd find it justifiable if the woman was catatonic (or otherwise unable to communicate/understand) and her life/the babies life was in immediate danger, or if she was so far into psychosis that she was in significant danger to herself or the baby.
    A panic attack is far from either of these, surely they could have mildly sedated her if she was posing a risk to herself or others (and than discussed treatment options once she was lucid enough).

    And yes I do find it quite disturbing, I told my husband of this case and he found it completely heinous as well.
    I just don't know how anyone could possibly think this type of thing was ok (and that's why I want to believe there is more to the story).

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    I am truly surprised that the Italian government hasn't kicked up a fuss about one of their citizens being unlawfully detained in the UK. Surely this baby should have been returned to Italy, either to live with family or to be fostered out to an Italian family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redlipsandpearls View Post
    Even if there is no suitable family, wouldn't it be best for the baby to return to Italy so they can be placed with an Italian family in case the Mum does improve and is able to regain custody?
    Yeah, I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trustno1 View Post
    I am truly surprised that the Italian government hasn't kicked up a fuss about one of their citizens being unlawfully detained in the UK. Surely this baby should have been returned to Italy, either to live with family or to be fostered out to an Italian family.

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    Is the baby a UK citizen now? Is that how they're getting away with this? If she was already pregnant when she arrived in the UK, I would assume that the father is also Italian (if not this estranged husband?) but having been born in the UK (even by force), they must now claiming the child to be a UK citizen in order to have the right to put it up for adoption.

    As someone else said, perhaps she stopped taking the medication because she was pregnant. What disgusts me most is that she was kept in the dark about what was going to happen, it's a complete violation if her human rights. Like others, I find it completely astounding that her next of kin wasn't contacted in regards to this and amazed at their pure pigheadedness in putting the child up for adoption rather than attempting to place it in the care of either a relative or at the very least an Italian family back in Italy where she belongs. My cynical side can't help but think "well, the adoption waiting lists in the UK are really quite long and here is a baby they can adopt out ostensibly in the 'child's best interests'"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goblin Queen View Post
    Is the baby a UK citizen now? Is that how they're getting away with this? If she was already pregnant when she arrived in the UK, I would assume that the father is also Italian (if not this estranged husband?) but having been born in the UK (even by force), they must now claiming the child to be a UK citizen in order to have the right to put it up for adoption.

    As someone else said, perhaps she stopped taking the medication because she was pregnant. What disgusts me most is that she was kept in the dark about what was going to happen, it's a complete violation if her human rights. Like others, I find it completely astounding that her next of kin wasn't contacted in regards to this and amazed at their pure pigheadedness in putting the child up for adoption rather than attempting to place it in the care of either a relative or at the very least an Italian family back in Italy where she belongs. My cynical side can't help but think "well, the adoption waiting lists in the UK are really quite long and here is a baby they can adopt out ostensibly in the 'child's best interests'"...
    Maybe but I would imagine that there would be a strong argument in regards to the baby being forcibly removed against the will of her parents and family. It's kind of stealing her, isn't it? And wouldn't she be an Italian citizen too? I'm not sure how that works.
    I read yesterday that Essex county have been granted a gag order, so not sure if/when we will hear More about this terrible situation.


 

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