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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Marigold~ View Post
    I don't want make a big "thing", but I am a little surprised that so many of you think that it's fine to ask a stranger to tell her child not to say something in public just because they don't agree or have the same belief? I get that another child within earshot could possibly overhear, but that's life- it's diverse, people have different opinions and I don't think we really have the right to ask someone to censor themselves to cater to the public.
    I think that kids at school would go around saying stuff like "Santa is fake" all the time. And you can't control that...
    If my child overheard another in public singing about Santa not being real and my child was upset by that, I would simply explain that that was just their opinion, that some people don't believe in certain things etc...

    "Life Is Ours, We Live It Our Way".
    I think he should be allowed to say anything he likes in public, just like I am.
    However, I also think until kids properly learn the difference between inside and outside conversations/voices (I.E. I wouldn't have a loud conversation about my s3x life in public because no one else wants or needs to hear it and it isn't appropriate) that as adults it is up to us to explain the difference. So, if her DS was singing it quietly to other DS, then there's no problem. If the store member was deliberately eavesdropping and developed a problem with it, then I'd think she just needs to stfu and put her big girl panties on. If anewmes DS was singing it loudly enough for others to hear without a problem and deliberate eavesdropping then I think it is appropriate to ask her if he can sing a bit quieter so other people don't hear. But I don't think anger should ever be directed toward a child for what could be a learning thing, which is appropriate conversation levels in public as opposed to at home/in the car/in your own back yard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Ahhh yes, but it angers you, right? you are angry that public schools bring in people that tell your kids god is real. I see this as very similar.
    It annoys me when religion is "taught" as fact in a SCHOOL. By an authority figure resembling a teacher, Yes.

    If a kid came up to my kids in the play ground, park or shopping centre and said, 'god is real'... Then I have equipped my children with enough information to hold their own.


    ...fair bit of difference in my opinion.

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    Finding it highly amusing that a thread about the existence of santa is drawing parallels to the existence of god by the way.


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    I think the staff member approached it rudely & was incredibly unprofessional.

    However, I think that it's really unfair for your son to go around saying that & potentially ruining it for families who choose to believe in Santa.

    I have every intention of keeping up with the Santa tradition.. And I would be annoyed if my daughter overheard that! What you choose to do with your children is your business... But don't ruin it for others.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Renn View Post
    I think there was no issue with your son singing that, so of course I think it was her being rude.

    I get that people might not want their child's belief dashed, but you can't shield them from every alternative view. If I had a child who believed in santa, I didn't want that to change, and they heard a kid say he wasn't real... I wouldn't be at all annoyed at the parents. Surely you can respond to your child that some people believe that he's not, some people believe he is... or if that isn't good enough you can straight out lie. Noone else should be forced to be complicit in ensuring your kids believe what you want them too (especially when it's false).
    This.

    I am surprised that so many people feel a 5 year old needs to keep quiet to ensure your child continues to believe in Santa.

    5 is old enough to be at school, I am sure there are plenty of home truths shared around the playground there without bossy shop assistants to censor them.

    Particularly given there was a context to this, he was trying to comfort his younger brother, not going up to random kids telling them to their face that santa is not real.
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    But you have already discussed the idea that religion is a point of view with your kids. That some believe in god and others don't.

    For most parents, they have told their kids santa IS real.

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    How ridiculous. Anewme's 5 year old was not saying anything offensive or prejudicial. This is a world away from an older child deliberately ruining Santa for a younger child for kicks - he was having a private convo with his family in public. As long as he's not being vulgar or offensive he can say/sing what he likes.

    FL I find it very hard to believe that you couldn't deal effectively with the situation if your son overheard something like this and some random kid at the shops isn't going to undo what his biggest influence - YOU - do and say.

    That woman should have said, "what a lovely boy you are for singing so nicely to your brother", or nothing at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveInTheBed View Post
    Finding it highly amusing that a thread about the existence of santa is drawing parallels to the existence of god by the way.

    Well you know we are on the same page on this one..... and I see the existance of god as believable and scientifically proven as Santa To me they are both made up stories to make people feel good

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Yep to both of these. She was out of line, he's just a little boy and she had no right to be rude to him. But then while I fully respect your right to not do santa, many of us do. Just speaking for myself, but believing in santa is so fleeting. For some of us, it's the magic of christmas that we know doesn't last long and we want to savor it. While I know it wasn't your child's intention at all, it may spoil it for other children.
    This is worded perfectly! Believing in Santa is one of my favorite memories of Christmas as a child!


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    Quote Originally Posted by NoteToSelf View Post
    This.

    I am surprised that so many people feel a 5 year old needs to keep quiet to ensure your child continues to believe in Santa.

    5 is old enough to be at school, I am sure there are plenty of home truths shared around the playground there without bossy shop assistants to censor them.
    I always find this really interesting. Kids are *incredibly* honest. Not because they're malicious, but simply because the idea of tact hasn't occurred to them or been taught to them yet.

    I'm fairly certain if your kid went around telling larger people that they're fat constantly, you would educate them very quickly on what is and isn't appropriate. Or if someone has bad BO. Or funny teeth. And these would all be "home truths" as you put it. But it still isn't okay or allowable.

    I kind of put it on the same thing. It's our job to educate children on proper behavior in public or at home and the differences. Just because other kids are little and we don't believe in Santa, we can't decide that Santa is a little thing for a kid and their beliefs. So the "home truths" could be just as hurtful and upsetting as telling an adult they're fat/have bad BO/funny teeth. So, might as well just educate your children at the same time to not tell other people that Santa isn't real, because that might hurt their feelings or upset them.

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