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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Forcing women to have babies is a bit of an over dramatization. Unless a woman is raped she should know that when she has a shag, there's a chance she could fall pregnant, especially if she doesn't use contraception properly. Women do have control over their bodies: they can choose to be as careful as they can when choosing who to shag and using contraception. If they don't then I don't feel any sympathy for them if they fall pregnant and aren't able to have an abortion.

    As for what the solution is I agree it's hard. Even though I dont agree with abortion for non medical reasons I would rather try better sex education and making contraception free over banning abortion.
    Haha, we must have been writing at the same time. Exactly my thoughts.

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    Contraception is free in the uk! Same problems, probably even bigger than here.

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    My interpretation of different people's understanding of "Take Responsibility" in regards to sex/pregnancy.

    Definition a) suffer the consequences

    Definition b) weigh up the situation, make an informed decision, be in control of your own life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Contraception is free in the uk! Same problems, probably even bigger than here.
    That's because it's sooooo freaking cold and what do you do when indoors, eat and have s*x

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie Pallie View Post
    Why does it bother you? If it is flipped and the woman wants to keep it and the man doesn't, then the woman should keep it. Simple. What I'm saying is men are just as much the parent of a baby even though the woman carrys that baby.

    I'm saying that if either parent wants to keep the baby it should be kept. Each persons feelings are important, it never should it be one or the other. Why is that a problem?
    Thanks for clarifying. That isn't what you said at first though, or rather, not what I understood, maybe...

    I do see where you're coming from. And I agree, each person's feelings are important. But what happens when the two people disagree on what to do? One major difference between men and women is that a man who doesn't want anything to do with his baby can walk away a lot more easily than a woman can, and at any stage of the pregnancy. He's *not necessarily* just as much a parent of that baby. In a perfect world, yes, everything is 50/50 and equally desired and equal care takes place, but you don't have to look far on the hub or in real life to see that isn't always the case.

    I do think the woman should have the final say, because the impact on her body and her life is greater, which is why I had the problem with what you suggested, to answer your question. But I absolutely agree with you that both parents' feelings are important. My son is the result of an unplanned pregnancy despite two types of contraception, and I chose not to terminate despite fierce emotional pressure. I of course considered what my husband felt, but ultimately I did feel that the final say should be mine. So I'm guessing I feel a little bit emotionally invested in your comment, and should maybe step away :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie Pallie View Post
    That's because it's sooooo freaking cold and what do you do when indoors, eat and have s*x
    Well I did more than that in my 4 years there.

    Interestingly, I used to live near Allie pallie. Is that where you're from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsharvey View Post
    Thanks for clarifying. That isn't what you said at first though, or rather, not what I understood, maybe...

    I do see where you're coming from. And I agree, each person's feelings are important. But what happens when the two people disagree on what to do? One major difference between men and women is that a man who doesn't want anything to do with his baby can walk away a lot more easily than a woman can, and at any stage of the pregnancy. He's *not necessarily* just as much a parent of that baby. In a perfect world, yes, everything is 50/50 and equally desired and equal care takes place, but you don't have to look far on the hub or in real life to see that isn't always the case.

    I do think the woman should have the final say, because the impact on her body and her life is greater, which is why I had the problem with what you suggested, to answer your question. But I absolutely agree with you that both parents' feelings are important. My son is the result of an unplanned pregnancy despite two types of contraception, and I chose not to terminate despite fierce emotional pressure. I of course considered what my husband felt, but ultimately I did feel that the final say should be mine. So I'm guessing I feel a little bit emotionally invested in your comment, and should maybe step away :-)
    Sorry I touched on a sore point. I get now too why you had the problem with the comment, that makes perfect sense too, I just wasn't sure from your post.

    I'm stepping away from this thread now myself anyway as it's completely off topic and I think it's best to agree to disagree on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Well I did more than that in my 4 years there.

    Interestingly, I used to live near Allie pallie. Is that where you're from?
    It was tongue in cheek, I lived in Edinburgh for a year and hated the cold.

    I'm Adelaide born and bred. I had no idea Allie Pallie was a place! Where in the UK is that?

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    Well there's a place in London called Alexandra palace and it's shortened to Allie pallie.

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    I know someone who just got pregnant with the mirena in. I also know a couple who got pregnant after a failed vasectomy. I got pregnant when the condom broke, and then I took the morning after pill - and I still got pregnant. So yeah - but it does happen. Even if you do everything you can to prevent it.

    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I think men have an equal responsibility for contraception, and in the event of a pregnancy I feel the man has an equal responsibility for the baby.
    - To be honest if contraception is used correctly the failure rate isn't as high as people sprout.


 

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