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    Im not repeating myself over and over. What do u want me to say? Say you are all right and im wrong?

    I dont agree with abortion, full stop. No ifs buts - for myself. I wont have one myself, i wouldnt vote to legislate against it, I dont deny anyone else their rights and Its not my place to judge.

    Pulling out the most horrific case to justify abortion still doesnt change my mind. As abortion itself is horrific.

    If your waiting for me to say the above situations justify abortion then youll be waiting a long time. Because in those situations ive already said I wouldnt abort myself.

    What others do is not my business.

    I dont know why this bothers u all so much. Because its not the most popular opinion?

    Im not campaigning to take away those rights from others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillynix View Post
    Exactly, Atropos.

    @SoThisIsLove you made a bold statement of "I don't agree with abortion", which places a judgement on those that have had or are considering or may need the services that an abortion provides.

    It is one thing to say that you don't think you'd ever consider an abortion for yourself, but quite another to say "I don't agree with abortion". And quite frankly, no one is asking for you to agree with abortion, simply asking that you place no judgement. Which is exactly what a pro-choice stance is, it is accepting that some women may want to chose that path, and not placing judgement on them or their decisions, no matter what their reasons.
    Im not interested in an argument. "I" dont agree with abortion. Cause well, I dont.

    Im pro life. Im not pro choice cause that says "im ok with it" and im not. Doesnt mean I want to take away the rights of others

    I didnt say " people who have abortions are blah blah blah"

    "Abortions should be illegal"

    End of. Sick of justifying myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoThisIsLove View Post
    Im not interested in an argument. "I" dont agree with abortion. Cause well, I dont.

    Im pro life. Im not pro choice cause that says "im ok with it" and im not. Doesnt mean I want to take away the rights of others

    I didnt say " people who have abortions are blah blah blah"

    "Abortions should be illegal"

    End of. Sick of justifying myself.

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    With respect, being pro choice doesn't mean you're ok with it. It means that you accept that every woman has the right to decide what she does with her body.

    It does not mean you support abortion, it means you support choice.

    Pro-life means anti-abortion for every female regardless of circumstance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoThisIsLove View Post
    Im not interested in an argument. "I" dont agree with abortion. Cause well, I dont.

    Im pro life. Im not pro choice cause that says "im ok with it" and im not. Doesnt mean I want to take away the rights of others

    I didnt say " people who have abortions are blah blah blah"

    "Abortions should be illegal"

    End of. Sick of justifying myself.

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    No, being pro-choice doesn't say that you agree with abortion, it says that you acknowledge the right for every woman to make their own choice on the matter. Whereas being pro-life gives the impression that you don't wish for women to have that right.

    You may think of it as semantics, however I think of it as a very important thing to distinguish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoThisIsLove View Post
    Im not repeating myself over and over. What do u want me to say? Say you are all right and im wrong?

    I dont agree with abortion, full stop. No ifs buts - for myself. I wont have one myself, i wouldnt vote to legislate against it, I dont deny anyone else their rights and Its not my place to judge.

    Pulling out the most horrific case to justify abortion still doesnt change my mind. As abortion itself is horrific.

    If your waiting for me to say the above situations justify abortion then youll be waiting a long time. Because in those situations ive already said I wouldnt abort myself.

    What others do is not my business.

    I dont know why this bothers u all so much. Because its not the most popular opinion?

    Im not campaigning to take away those rights from others.

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    Then you are pro-choice. That doesn't mean you'd have one yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    The point is that there is no law that interferes with a man's bodily autonomy whereas a law that puts the foetus's rights above the mothers very much does.
    True, but again men can't have babies which hanged things whether you like it or not.

    I mean damn those pharmaceutical companies for not giving women access to prostate cancer drugs!

    And damn those sports equipment companies who make cricket 'cups' only for men!

    Not to mention condom companies! Those things just don't fit my finger!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie Pallie View Post
    True, but again men can't have babies which hanged things whether you like it or not.

    I mean damn those pharmaceutical companies for not giving women access to prostate cancer drugs!

    And damn those sports equipment companies who make cricket 'cups' only for men!

    Not to mention condom companies! Those things just don't fit my finger!
    What are you talking about?

    What if a law prevented a man from getting a vasectomy and decreed he had to impregnante his wife? Would that be ok? Of course not. Nor is it ok to take away a woman's reproductive rights and force her to continue a pregnancy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie Pallie View Post
    True, but again men can't have babies which hanged things whether you like it or not.

    I mean damn those pharmaceutical companies for not giving women access to prostate cancer drugs!

    And damn those sports equipment companies who make cricket 'cups' only for men!

    Not to mention condom companies! Those things just don't fit my finger!
    I'll play...

    Women have access to cancer treatment.
    If they didn't have access at all - you'd have a point.

    Sports Equipment companies make chest gaurds for female cricket players - if they didn't, you'd have a point.

    Condoms benefit both the female and male, or women can get access to other forms of protection. If they couldn't you'd have a point.

    So, in short - you don't have a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveInTheBed View Post
    I actually gave you an opportunity to give some details to add strength to what you would have us believe.
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    If I wish to call someone a liar - I would simply call them a liar.
    So that previous sentence doesn't mean you think she's lying? Cause I read that as you calling her liar.
    Just because one person has had difficulty obtaining a late term abortion, doesn't mean it can't be easy for others.

    I know of another person who obtained a late term abortion easily, by claiming the child was a product of a rape. The child had in fact been conceived via IVF and the woman carrying the child was a surrogate. The surrogate aborted in order to claim the baby bonus and travel overseas.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    What are you talking about?

    What if a law prevented a man from getting a vasectomy and decreed he had to impregnante his wife? Would that be ok? Of course not. Nor is it ok to take away a woman's reproductive rights and force her to continue a pregnancy.
    I'm talking about the original topic which is about giving a voice to unborn babies who would be born healthy unless someone hadn't committed a criminal act against them, or if a mother whacked her unborn baby with a hammer. I'm not talking about abortion.

    But either way, I'm sick of the whole, but we have to be like men in EVERYTHING, where in some cases that is impossible. Men can't carry babies, women don't need prostate cancer drugs or protective cups and can't wear condoms, because there are some ways in which men an women are different and we need to accept that.

    And along those lines, if a man was severely beaten the person who committed that crime would be charged for harm to that man. If that man'a wife who is 28 weeks pregnant is severely between by someone and as was her stomach and that baby died, that person should be charged for harm to both that woman and the baby. And that is because she is the only one who can carry the baby, the man can't. So that Law can only possibly effect women by the very nature that, that is how the world works. We are in fact different from men in some ways, end of.
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