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    Quote Originally Posted by Annabella View Post
    Are you thinking that through this law a fetus is given some kind of personhood before they are born, and this may have implications on abortion rights down the track?

    No I'm not concerned. I admit I don't know much about it, but I would want my child to be recognised as a human if something happened to them in utero.

    I highly doubt abortion laws will be affected by it.
    They are. That's exactly what the law says. 20 weeks gestation or weight of 400g will be given the same rights as a living, independent person.
    They say at this stage that it won't affect abortion rights- but look at the precedent. Why is a 20 week fetus treated as a being independent from another if it is killed accidentally (say a car crash) but not when it is killed on purpose (late term abortion)? What's the difference? If I can ask the question, so can others. Aldo agree with the points raised by @Jennaisme - this may well be one nasty can of worms. Looking at the US where they have similar laws- it's really scary!

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    Speaking from my heart, if my unborn child was killed in a car accident by a reckless drunk driver, I would want them held accountable. In that sense, I am glad.

    But other circumstances can be quite blurred, hopefully only good things come from this.


    Married to my soul mate, Mummy to one beautiful little girl, wishing for a little boy to complete our family.

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    I consider myself pro choice, but I support it. reading that, it isn't directed at termination. Termination is by choice, and a medical procedure. This is designed to address women being assaulted and losing the baby, drunk drivers etc.

    "It does not apply to anything done with a pregnant woman's consent or during a medical procedure."



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    I'm with you, I do not agree with "Zoe's Law". I fear for the potential repercussions. I do not, and never will, support 'personhood of the foetus' regardless of the 'guidelines' behind it.

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    If I were 8 months pregnant and was attacked resulting in unborn baby dying, I sure a heck would want the perpetrator held accountable. I think this law will be of great benefit for those that end up in that situation. it could very well be a case of the benefits being greater than the risks.

    I'm sure in genuine accidents the penalties will be reflective.

    You could be responsible for someones death and it still be an accident yet still get charged with manslaughter. Eg drive a car at night, not see someone walking on the side of the road because they are wearing dark clothing on an unlit road and you look away for a split second in the opposite direction and you fatally hit them. It happens. I'm sure the family wouldn't just go "oh well never mind"
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    In times where women are still fighting for the laws to allow legal, safe and easily accessible abortion, both in our very own country, as well as abroad, then I do not believe we need a law such as this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesperatelySeekingSleep View Post
    You could be responsible for sometimes death and it still be an accident yet still get charged with manslaughter.
    So would it be fair if the mother was charged with manslaughter in an accident like the woman in the US? I fell down an entire flight of stairs when I was 30 weeks pregnant. Thankfully the worst that came of it was me fracturing my coccyx, but what if the worst had've happened and my baby had died. It would've been a horrific accident, would it be fair that I possibly could've been charged with manslaughter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenMama View Post
    So would it be fear if the mother was charged with manslaughter in an accident like the woman in the US? I fell down an entire flight of stairs when I was 30 weeks pregnant. Thankfully the worst that came of it was me fracturing my coccyx, but what if the worst had've happened and my baby had died. It would've been a horrific accident, would it be fair that I possibly could've been charged with manslaughter?
    Its a good point.

    I know common sense and the law are often mutually exclusive but you would hope that common sense would prevail.

    No it would not be fair or just. Not one bit.

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    It will have to be *incredibly* well worded for me to ever get behind this. I understand where people are coming from. If someone caused the death of my bub due to their own stupidity and negligence, I'd be out for blood, as any person would be.

    "This is a simple question ... that is if a woman is injured in some way while ... pregnant there ought to be a recognition in the law of that fact."
    Mr O'Farrell said laws were not always about deterrence and punishment but also about victims' rights.
    This is the part that frightens me. Just.. If a pregnant woman is injured. Nothing else. There is SO much this could cover. So it's not even just about womens rights to bodily autonomy, but what if someone was behind a door and I opened it, without realizing they're there and something happens that causes the death of the unborn baby? What if someone is rushing and accidentally bumps into a pregnant woman (Happened to me the other day, actually. I nearly got clothes lined. Ow, btw), and something happens?

    The lack of protection for the general public based on what could happen due to a simple accident is frightening. As for cars, I don't know how many people get into them, stone sober, and decide to get into an accident that day which could possibly cause the death of something, let alone an unborn baby. I don't believe this law WON'T be abused and used and manipulated. I don't have that much faith in humans, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesperatelySeekingSleep View Post
    Its a good point.

    I know common sense and the law are often mutually exclusive but you would hope that common sense would prevail.
    Absolutely. I guess this makes me uncomfortable because as we all know common sense seems to leave the building in some cases. I just think it has the potential to get very messy.


 

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