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    I agree with pp that we are too different culturally and politically from America to be too concerned about what their laws have allowed.
    I also don't think this law gives more rights to the fetus, it gives more rights to grieving parents who just want the loss of their child to be acknowledged as a serious crime.
    I guess time will tell, but I think any amendments will be very closely monitored to avoid over stepping the line (especially in the media).

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    I just saw this article on a news website and I got to thinking if an incidence such as this (this happened in the UK) would be used to challenge the exemption from prosecuting a woman for something that she did to herself during pregnancy. I am not suggesting that is necessarily should (although if the account of the incident is correct I assume she is not fit to raise a child).

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...y-with-hammer/

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialPatrolGroup View Post
    I just saw this article on a news website and I got to thinking if an incidence such as this (this happened in the UK) would be used to challenge the exemption from prosecuting a woman for something that she did to herself during pregnancy. I am not suggesting that is necessarily should (although if the account of the incident is correct I assume she is not fit to raise a child).

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...y-with-hammer/
    Assuming the ex's version of events is correct I would support this woman being charged whether it be under an existing law or a law similar to Zoe's law. Her being charged wouldn't worry me in the slightest.

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    Couldn't agree more.

    It's unacceptable that this woman wasn't charged.

    Argh I struggle to make sense of this world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialPatrolGroup View Post
    I just saw this article on a news website and I got to thinking if an incidence such as this (this happened in the UK) would be used to challenge the exemption from prosecuting a woman for something that she did to herself during pregnancy. I am not suggesting that is necessarily should (although if the account of the incident is correct I assume she is not fit to raise a child).

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...y-with-hammer/
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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Assuming the ex's version of events is correct I would support this woman being charged whether it be under an existing law or a law similar to Zoe's law. Her being charged wouldn't worry me in the slightest.
    And that's why these laws should not be allowed.

    I don't think a woman should be charged for hitting her own body with a hammer.

    I think she should get the help and any medical treatment she probably needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sockstealingpoltergeist View Post
    And that's why these laws should not be allowed.

    I don't think a woman should be charged for hitting her own body with a hammer.

    I think she should get the help and any medical treatment she probably needs.
    I also think she should be given help... If she needs it. I think though that first has to come authorities stepping in and stopping what she's doing, and charging her. If she truly has a mental condition then her lawyer can plead that at trial. And care can be part of the plan/the entirety of it. But the first priority (IMO) has to be looking after the innocent, viable life that is inside the belly that she is hitting with a hammer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sockstealingpoltergeist View Post

    I don't think a woman should be charged for hitting her own body with a hammer.
    I am in total and utter shock with that statement!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Assuming the ex's version of events is correct I would support this woman being charged whether it be under an existing law or a law similar to Zoe's law. Her being charged wouldn't worry me in the slightest.
    See, I would disagree with you here. I don't know how hard she hit herself or anything, but from her ex's version of events, he describes her as out of control. From that limited info, I would hazard a guess that she may have mental health issues, in which case a criminal charge is not going to help her or her baby. I don't believe in "punishing" mental illness. There are of course times when those with mental illness must be removed from society (when they present a danger etc) but in this instance she took a risk with her own body that luckily appears not to have harmed the child. What would the charge be, exactly? And charging a woman for taking a risk in pregnancy is a slippery slope- where does the risk become acceptable?
    nb- I'm not condoning hitting herself with a hammer though, it's awful- but I don't think its the action of a well person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie Pallie View Post
    I am in total and utter shock with that statement!!!
    Why?
    Should she be charged with a crime for hitting her own body? Look at it like this- Should she be charged for eating a ham sandwich? Of course not- but where is the line drawn? Both constitute risk to the foetus.


 

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