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    Ok well that's enough for me not to support the bill then.

    I am very very behind in politics and have barely seen the news since TA (who I do think is a joke) came into power. (I don't really put the TV on in the early evening anymore, I prefer to listen to music. But should follow up on the news more closely!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennaisme View Post
    So... Who decides when this specific law will be applied?? I've read over the paragraph in regards to it, and all the links and can't for the life of me find who makes the decision on when it gets applied.
    I was wondering about this too.

    If a woman is driving to a clinic to have a termination at 20 weeks, gets hit by a drunk driver and the unborn baby dies, does the driver still get charged with a crime against the unborn baby?

    And if a couple are driving - the husband is drink driving, the woman is pregnant - and they crash, losing the baby, the husband could be charged with GBH against the unborn baby?

    But if the pregnant woman was the one drink driving and they crashed, she wouldn't be charged for the same offence?

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    I really think this thread is just feeding unfounded hysteria.

    It's a law to protect unborn babies from criminal harm. That's how it's intended.

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    I see what you are saying, but if the law is passed in the first place (which I think it is likely to?) then we do have to think about subsequent amendments and future governments and the senate. Woman have fought tooth and nail for years to be able to access legal safe abortions, I think that anything that could possibly change that has to be questioned.

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    Yes but say the law as it is passes - isn't the immediate 'danger' the judiciary and how they interpret it?

    Not subsequent amendments. And let's face it, given the majority in the LA there's likely to be a 'correction' at the next election and the LC is unlikely to be so delicately balanced such that those two minor parties hold the balance of power.

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    I'll probably get flamed for this. But a 20 week old fetus should never hold more rights than a living breathing woman. Ever. And in terms of babies in utero, you can't have it both ways, a fetus and mother can never have equal rights, one always loses out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mokeybear View Post
    I really think this thread is just feeding unfounded hysteria.

    It's a law to protect unborn babies from criminal harm. That's how it's intended.

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    It can be intended however it likes. Humans are not pure of heart or sweet and kind and there are people who will take this law and twist it as much as humanly possible, or use it as a premise for others, and pretending there aren't is naive at best.

    I'm not sure why finding where these loopholes can be and voicing worries based on them then gets classed as hysteria? If we can find them you can bet your butt people like Fred Nile can as well and he's a person you really don't want to find a loop hole in anything even remotely relating to this and him being behind it rings alarm bells that there is one he's found and can exploit, that other people may not have thought of.

    Back in my day, ABC played Alice Cooper on the kids cartoons and our cartoons could talk. Being a kid sucks now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    I see what you are saying, but if the law is passed in the first place (which I think it is likely to?) then we do have to think about subsequent amendments and future governments and the senate. Woman have fought tooth and nail for years to be able to access legal safe abortions, I think that anything that could possibly change that has to be questioned.
    Of course. I'm not dismissing that very real danger at all.

    I'm just saying I think the immediate danger isn't a future legislative change, but from judicial interpretation.

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    Yes, I agree.

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    Of course. I'm not dismissing that very real danger at all.

    I'm just saying I think the immediate danger isn't a future legislative change, but from judicial interpretation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    I'll probably get flamed for this. But a 20 week old fetus should never hold more rights than a living breathing woman. Ever. And in terms of babies in utero, you can't have it both ways, a fetus and mother can never have equal rights, one always loses out.
    I get what you are saying, I really do but I really can't see how that is threatened by this new law, its not about or intended to cover all the scenarios that have been put forth in this thread.

    I just think everybody has thrown out the baby with the bath water.

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    I get where you are coming from too. I totally do, If I lost a late term baby because of someone else..I don't know how'd I'd react - I'd probably want to kill whoever had done it.

    The problem I see with this there is just too many "what ifs" for my liking. Also, we've all seen the law twisted to suit peoples agendas. It happens all the time. That is why I am wary of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mokeybear View Post
    I get what you are saying, I really do but I really can't see how that is threatened by this new law, its not about or intended to cover all the scenarios that have been put forth in this thread.

    I just think everybody has thrown out the baby with the bath water.


 

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