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    Default *Trigger Warning* Zoe's Law passed in lower house

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...sw-lower-house

    Does anyone else fear for possible future repercussions of this??
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    Oh dear. That's not going to end well.

    Back in my day, ABC played Alice Cooper on the kids cartoons and our cartoons could talk. Being a kid sucks now.

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    I fear for the women who have a late stage termination then decide they were pressured into it either by a non supportive partner or a medical professional.

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    I'm not sure I understand... Is it saying that someone can be held accountable if they injure or cause death to a fetus over 20 weeks? But not where it has been a medical reason??

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    I think it is a good idea. It states it does not apply for medical procedures or where the mother gives consent.

    I think it is aimed at cases where a pregnancy is unwillingly terminated ie mother beaten or murdered and baby died, car crash and unborn baby died etc

    I think it would help with the grieving process to have the unborn baby acknowledged in a legal sense.

    If someone was bullied or coerced into a termination then maybe more comprehensive counselling for both mother and father where possible should be in place and ANY hesitation on either part be noted down.

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    I should also add that medical neglect should also be a punishable offence under this law.

    I am assuming by medical procedure it is referring to a consenting termination

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennaisme View Post
    Oh dear. That's not going to end well.

    Back in my day, ABC played Alice Cooper on the kids cartoons and our cartoons could talk. Being a kid sucks now.
    Why ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meags82 View Post
    I fear for the women who have a late stage termination then decide they were pressured into it either by a non supportive partner or a medical professional.
    The pregnant mother would have to sign/give consent after counselling. So I don't think that could count.

    Quote Originally Posted by DesperatelySeekingSleep View Post
    I think it is a good idea. It states it does not apply for medical procedures or where the mother gives consent.

    I think it is aimed at cases where a pregnancy is unwillingly terminated ie mother beaten or murdered and baby died, car crash and unborn baby died etc

    I think it would help with the grieving process to have the unborn baby acknowledged in a legal sense.

    If someone was bullied or coerced into a termination then maybe more comprehensive counselling for both mother and father where possible should be in place and ANY hesitation on either part be noted down.
    I agree.

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    One thing I could think of if a bio father tried to get a mother who terminates for whatever reason without his consent...

    However I like this as I think some people do literally get away with murder in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2BlueBirds View Post
    Why ?

    Rev Fred Nile is very well known for his anti abortion statuses for any reason and his belief that people should be held accountable for terminations at any gestation. If he's in agreeance with said bill, and is pushing for it, he has other agendas. I genuinely don't believe this is going to end well for any woman.

    Eta: It also doesn't account for accidents that happen. There was a law somewhat like this in the states. For all intents and purposes it should have protected woman, but a woman fell down the stairs and as a result her baby died and she was charged with criminal negligence. Just for walking down a flight of stairs.

    There are also unforseeable accidents. I had a huge german shepherd cross rottie jump on my stomach at one point. If something had happened due to thar would the owner have been held accountable and the dog put down?

    I think if they pass this law then the wording needs to be very air tight with absolutely no room whatsoever for misinterpretation or loop holes, or the possibility of advancing it further to simply cover any reason or give a featus personhood. I just don't think it will.

    Back in my day, ABC played Alice Cooper on the kids cartoons and our cartoons could talk. Being a kid sucks now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...sw-lower-house

    Does anyone else fear for possible future repercussions of this??
    Are you thinking that through this law a fetus is given some kind of personhood before they are born, and this may have implications on abortion rights down the track?

    No I'm not concerned. I admit I don't know much about it, but I would want my child to be recognised as a human if something happened to them in utero.

    I highly doubt abortion laws will be affected by it.

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