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    Hi Sooty just wanted to say that, I really don't think you should be too stressed that you didn't have blastocysts or they were very early blastocysts to transfer. We had 6 on day 5 but the three blastocyst were abnormals and we were left with 2 morula sand a compacting morula. The hope is a compacting morula on day 5 is just a bit slower and for me I did get pregnant from a morula (the stage before a blastocyst). From memory after doing some research there is also some studies on the sex of the blastocyst and rate of development with female ones taking longer to reach blastocyst but these studies relate to ICSI where the individual sperm is injected into the egg. Anyway I definitely got pregnant from a slow dividing embryo and there's lots of success stories out there. I lost mine because of immune issues but please be positive and hopefully in 2 weeks you will have some good news.

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    Hi Soclose I recently had biopsies done by both Dr M and Dr Sacks (also serious about killer cells and he's my FS) and my results were very different even though they were done only 1 cycle apart. If you can manage it maybe get some cheap flights at unpopular times. In order for Dr M to develop a protocol specific to you I believe he needs all your info. Not sure if it's what u wanted to hear but in the long run it might actually save money. Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nidhulaine View Post
    Hi Sooty just wanted to say that, I really don't think you should be too stressed that you didn't have blastocysts or they were very early blastocysts to transfer. We had 6 on day 5 but the three blastocyst were abnormals and we were left with 2 morula sand a compacting morula. The hope is a compacting morula on day 5 is just a bit slower and for me I did get pregnant from a morula (the stage before a blastocyst). From memory after doing some research there is also some studies on the sex of the blastocyst and rate of development with female ones taking longer to reach blastocyst but these studies relate to ICSI where the individual sperm is injected into the egg. Anyway I definitely got pregnant from a slow dividing embryo and there's lots of success stories out there. I lost mine because of immune issues but please be positive and hopefully in 2 weeks you will have some good news.
    My embryo was only 6 cells when it was transferred on day 3, and we're still going strong at nearly 20 weeks (clexane & aspirin daily). I read those studies too and it has turned out to be true for me as I'm pregnant with a little girl.

    Don't give up hope, I've seen plenty of stories where someone's "perfect" blasts didn't take, but their little laggers held on strong and became healthy babies...


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    Sooty, all the best with the tee, will be thinking of you and here if you need to chat/vent!

    Soclose, I had my biopsy with dr m, the results showed cd56 and 57 and also mentioned that my ratio of cd 4 and 8 were out although it didn't mention the numbers. I would also say to go to dr m if you can as I have heard that some people need to have it redone with him if their results aren't in the form he needs. I know it's so expensive but IMO if you've come this far and then take a short cut you may regret it later. Not sure about the Chicago bloods, we were told we didn't need them after our biopsy and local blood results as it wouldn't have changed the treatment apparently...

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    *tww not tee whoops haha

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    Thank you ladies for replying so quickly to me. I've been stressing a bit today about what to do next. I feel a little out of my depth with all of this. It's just all so new I'm not sure what I'm doing lol. After reading all of your experiences I will go to Dr M for the biopsy. You're right, we've come so far in this journey and had so many things go wrong with cycles that I would never forgive myself if I was the one who mucked it all up now. So off to Sydney I go!

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    Hi Ladies

    Sorry I haven't been on here for a while looks like lots has gone on. You are all so brave, I really admire you all. We just transferred our last frostie which resulted in a BFN unfortunately. We have in the meantime now found out that I have a blood clotting gene issue which may be the reason for some of our misfortune. Off to see the hematologist tomorrow so we'll see what he says.
    My FS seems to think that I don't have any immune issues but I'm still not so sure. We are going to do Chromosone testing with the next stim cycle and if that doesn't work I'll definitely go down this path. I notice you talk about both Dr M and Dr Sacks, what is the difference between the two? Is one better than the other? Sorry if this is a very broad question. I'm with Genea and I noticed that someone mentioned that Dr Sacks is with Genea and I thought that might be an option for me but I'd love your advice.
    Sorry for the me post ladies especially with all you have going on.
    Wishing you all the very best of luck with whatever stage you are at

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    Cappy, Dr Sacks is ivf Australia and mainly consults out of Bondi but also sometimes Kogarah. Dr M is out on his own and not associated with any ivf clinic and he's at Bankstown and Miranda.

    I moved from my FS to Dr Sacks as I was sick of getting pregnant only to lose them at 6 weeks. dr Sacks treatment is usually ivf with PGD, clexene and prednisolone up to about 30mg/per day and for woman with mild immune issues this may often enough but for many of the ladies here may need more.

    dr M protocols tend to involve more medications and he is somewhat more controversial in the medical community here in Australia. For me Dr M prescribes intralipids, prednisolone and high progesterone but many ladies are on different steroids such as Dexamethasone and other treatments such as IVIG or medications such as Humira. If u need to do ivf you will still need an ivf clinic if you end up going with Dr M.

    I do not know who the immune equivalent of Dr Sacks is at Genea but I am sure someone on here can help you out.

    One other thing is Dr Sacks specialises in natural killer cells which are just one aspect of immune issues and also on the male side sperm fragmentation whereas Dr M specialises in immune issues in general. For me I did biopsies and testing with both.

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    Just wanted to say hang in there sooty ivf is toob unpredictable to make too many assumptions. I know easier said then done. We have had plenty of good day 5 boats put in that haven't worked out even a textbook perfect according to the clinic which I've lost and am currently 21 weeks pregnant with a 6 day blast. She wasn't good enough to transfer or freeze on day 5 not even a blast then but she is doing well now good luck x

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    Blasts not boats silly predictive text!


 

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