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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Why can't we do both? It doesn't have to be one or the other.
    The op article only presented the one solution to the problem, not both together

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    Quote Originally Posted by FearlessLeader View Post
    As a Absolutely they need to be educated, but who will educate them and why would they bother listening? This idea hits them and their colleagues in the hip pocket, and may be the driving force in the industry looking at how they can make women feel safer traveling with a male driver.
    They will listen once they are charged, lose their jobs etc. Then they will know that this isn't acceptable in Australia. If women need to be with a female taxi driver to feel safe it just perpetuates the problem. The next step will be to blame women who are assaulted by male taxi drivers as they put themselves at risk by not choosing a female driver to begin with.

    I think it's fine to have female taxi drivers, but I don't think it should be marketed this way. It's a step backwards in terms of women's rights

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    Honestly I think the concept of 'they just need to be educated' is extremely optimistic and naive. Misogynist pigs aren't going to change because they 'see the light' through a few classes. They may see the light if suddenly they are earning 40% less, and so are their colleagues who pressure them into changing their point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfish30 View Post
    They will listen once they are charged, lose their jobs etc. Then they will know that this isn't acceptable in Australia. If women need to be with a female taxi driver to feel safe it just perpetuates the problem. The next step will be to blame women who are assaulted by male taxi drivers as they put themselves at risk by not choosing a female driver to begin with.

    I think it's fine to have female taxi drivers, but I don't think it should be marketed this way. It's a step backwards in terms of women's rights
    But you can't charge someone for admonishing a woman for being out so late without their husband, or leering at them in the rear view mirror. These guys aren't raping every woman who gets into their taxi, they are just making them feel unsafe and like sh!t.

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    I mostly find it disturbing that there is a need to educate any man in Australia to not sexually assault a woman. I think I'm too optomistic maybe?

    Back in my day, ABC played Alice Cooper on the kids cartoons and our cartoons could talk. Being a kid sucks now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FearlessLeader View Post
    But you can't charge someone for admonishing a woman for being out so late without their husband, or leering at them in the rear view mirror. These guys aren't raping every woman who gets into their taxi, they are just making them feel unsafe and like sh!t.
    Yup. It's not about being physically assaulted, but I have been harassed, and felt threatened on five occasions. I support the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FearlessLeader View Post
    Honestly I think the concept of 'they just need to be educated' is extremely optimistic and naive. Misogynist pigs aren't going to change because they 'see the light' through a few classes. They may see the light if suddenly they are earning 40% less, and so are their colleagues who pressure them into changing their point of view.
    Or they are charged for their offences and no are longer allowed to work. Changing a culture takes generations, I agree with you. But just masking the problem doesn't do us any good as women. Keeping in mind that we are not saying that all male taxi drivers are like that.

    I think it's the same as telling women not to show any cleavage or they will be sexual assault targets. Women should be able to get taxis any time of the day or night and feel safe to do so. It's the men who have inappropriate behaviour who should be punished and not women to have their freedom limited by those men's behaviour

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfish30 View Post
    The op article only presented the one solution to the problem, not both together
    Yes it does, but we are discussing the topic and putting forward that both can happen. Educating and charging the drivers as well as offering a safe service for women.

    And I think the suggestion that offering a potential safer mode of transport will lead to victim blaming is a bit alarmist. No one is saying if a woman doesn't take a 'female' taxi then gets assaulted they deserve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FearlessLeader View Post
    But you can't charge someone for admonishing a woman for being out so late without their husband, or leering at them in the rear view mirror. These guys aren't raping every woman who gets into their taxi, they are just making them feel unsafe and like sh!t.
    I understand what you are saying, I've been there and hate it. Maybe we need new regulations for taxi drivers and an easier way to make complaints about this kind of behaviour. I don't know exactly how this would work, but I'm sure there are smart people out there that can think of a way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    It was literally the first thought I had on reading it- yet another idea buying into the stranger-rape myth perpetuated by shows like SVU etc. and it's not acting on the core problem. It's not changing the way these drivers act and punishing them for crimes committed, it's punishing ALL male drivers for being male by potentially reducing their earnings. It's not educating, training or supervising them to prevent such behaviour.
    I'm a dyed in the wool feminist who also vehemently argues for the paradigm shift to addressing the male role & responsibility within r@pe culture, rather than the continual victim blaming of women. I am disgusted that the onus is consistently placed on women to protect themselves ("why was she walking alone at night" or "what did she expect, getting so drunk" etc) rather than on men to just not assault women, full stop.

    But you know what? While we wait for that paradigm shift, this **** is happening. While we should never stop pushing for that shift in attitude and that cultural change, we also have a right to protect ourselves. Yes we are more likely to be sexually assaulted by someone we know but we can choose who we have in our life ands associate with. When I choose to catch a cab because I don't want to accept a lift from a male colleague I don't know that well - then it'd be great to minimise the risk from the cab driver too, y'know?

    And whilst the actual (reported) numbers might be relatively low, the fear is ever present. And that fvcking sucks. I am beyond furious that we have to live with that underlying current of fear whenever we are in a vulnerable situation like a lone taxi ride. I don't blame anyone for wishing to avoid that.
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