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    Quote Originally Posted by Theboys&me View Post
    Have you had your own class full time with the full weight of data driven expectations yet?? I only ask because after filling out paperwork for 6 children back to back who have since been diagnosed with varying things for the first time in my 9 years as a teacher I am constantly amazed by how easy things seems as a student/first year teacher.
    This!!!! When I first started (I've been teaching for 11 years) it all seemed pretty easy. Since then departmental expectations have increased dramatically and accountability is huge. The push for results is never ending and just when you think you can reach that bar it's raised again. Thank you MySchool website and NAPLAN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mokeybear View Post
    Well that's good for you but at the end of the day a teachers personal time should be his or her own, just because a teacher works with children doesn't automatically have to make them a martyr happy to sacrifice personal time for no money!

    I'm sure most of them have their own families and interests outside of the work place that they would prefer to be spending time with or on.

    Rightly so too.
    I don't think I want to know DD1's teacher does in his/her spare time. All I want to say is that if teachers feel overburdened by admin work then speak to the Principal/AP about it. They cannot use school learning hours to finish reports in this manner.
    Teaching is not the only profession where people work out of normal hours. There are several professions where people are on call/need to available/plan outside normal working hours. It's upto to you to prioritize work and family responsibilities in a way that you can manage them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshack View Post
    I don't think I want to know DD1's teacher does in his/her spare time. All I want to say is that if teachers feel overburdened by admin work then speak to the Principal/AP about it. They cannot use school learning hours to finish reports in this manner.
    Teaching is not the only profession where people work out of normal hours. There are several professions where people are on call/need to available/plan outside normal working hours. It's upto to you to prioritize work and family responsibilities in a way that you can manage them.
    But these teachers might not feel overburdened. What's so horrific about a once off movie session??

    They may very well have just decided to give the kids a treat (much the same as my kids earning free time) and thought rather then sit there and watch it with them they'd use the time to write reports.

    Or do these movie sessions happen regularly?? I'd happily accept any parent knocking on my door about a movie in my room

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    Why are teachers being portrayed as being so hard done by?
    My DH works for a corporation, he is on a salary, he has set hrs he must work and he does a butt load of overtime that he doesn't get paid extra for. He is constantly on call, works weekends on occasion, does paperwork stuff till ridiculous hours at night and only gets 4 weeks holiday a year, that he is generally on call for anyway.
    Can he be expected to just turn around to clients and say "I have other stuff I need to do, here watch a movie and I'll deal with you at the end of it"? God No. He would have his butt in HR and be put on performance management before he could blink.
    Why is it OK for teachers to do it? Because educating our children isn't important?
    OP I'd be upset too. Watching fluff for fluffs sake is not on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberleygal1 View Post
    Ds's teacher is at school at 7am for an 8am start, school finishes at 2.20pm and 2 days a week the teacher is rostered on at after school care til 3.30pm and she then usually goes back to the classroom to do whatever. We often have emails coming in at 5pm so she is obviously still at school then.

    Also, just because it is nearing the end of the school year doesn't mean the teaching reduces. The teachers are often rushed to get the required learning for that year finished hence why the kids are coming home a little extra tired. I know this is the case at ds's school anyway as I am friends with a few of the teachers and my roster day in ds's classroom last week was quite an eye opener.
    I would 10000% guarantee that there is not one teacher in Australia who completes their program each term. We often plan for 8 weeks, even on 10 or 11 week term and still don't finish everything. So much stuff happening that rarely everything in the program gets covered. There is so much stuff happening at this time of year as well...presentation day, end of year concerts/assemblies to practise. Tidy up classrooms, change rooms if you're moving class the next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trustno1 View Post
    Why are teachers being portrayed as being so hard done by?
    My DH works for a corporation, he is on a salary, he has set hrs he must work and he does a butt load of overtime that he doesn't get paid extra for. He is constantly on call, works weekends on occasion, does paperwork stuff till ridiculous hours at night and only gets 4 weeks holiday a year, that he is generally on call for anyway.
    Can he be expected to just turn around to clients and say "I have other stuff I need to do, here watch a movie and I'll deal with you at the end of it"? God No. He would have his butt in HR and be put on performance management before he could blink.
    Why is it OK for teachers to do it? Because educating our children isn't important?
    OP I'd be upset too. Watching fluff for fluffs sake is not on.

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    I don't really think that teachers are being portrayed as being hard done by. I like to clear up misconceptions about teaching when I see them. Just as I choose to be in this job and accept all that goes with it your DH must do as well. I never make myself out to be hard done by as I love my job and nothing gives me more satisfaction than seeing a little person learning to read. If I were so hard done by I'd find another job.

    I actually agreed with the OP that it wasn't acceptable but wouldn't make a fuss unless it was a regular occurrence. I think that is the point PP's are trying to make.

    My issue is with the misconceptions that people have about teachers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trustno1 View Post
    Why are teachers being portrayed as being so hard done by?
    My DH works for a corporation, he is on a salary, he has set hrs he must work and he does a butt load of overtime that he doesn't get paid extra for. He is constantly on call, works weekends on occasion, does paperwork stuff till ridiculous hours at night and only gets 4 weeks holiday a year, that he is generally on call for anyway.
    Can he be expected to just turn around to clients and say "I have other stuff I need to do, here watch a movie and I'll deal with you at the end of it"? God No. He would have his butt in HR and be put on performance management before he could blink.
    Why is it OK for teachers to do it? Because educating our children isn't important?
    OP I'd be upset too. Watching fluff for fluffs sake is not on.

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    That's everything in a nutshell! We need more performance management and accountability from teachers and they need to be supported by school management in doing this. As a parent and a teacher I'm definitely raising this issue at DD1's school.

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    I've just read through the thread. I can't believe the reaction about one day where the kids watched 2 movies. I also highly doubt these were 2 feature length movies. The time between recess and lunch is often at most 2 hours. How could you watch 2 movies?? Probably they were 2 episodes of something fun.
    One day, one 2 hour session? To write reports... wow.
    Give the teachers a break.
    I am a teacher. ... When I write reports it looks a bit like this. ..
    1 math/English/general/personal development comment per child. If the class has 25 kids that 100 comments. Comments that are personal to each child and shows an accurate assessment of their progress. Each comment could take 5-10 minutes. .. some longer depending on the child. .. I'll let you work out the hours that takes.
    Also usually about 6 Maths/English marks, plus history, science, and all other subjects. That's usually about 20 marks per student including effort or participation. For 25 kids. .. Again. ..hours of work not to mention the running records and assessment to arrive at those marks.
    Plus checking and proofreading.
    On top of that they are doing the usual teaching stuff. ..preparing and daily marking and planning. Plus end of year celebrations or awards to organise.

    One session of watching a movie to get some admin done when you think about it all in context is nothing.

    Yep... I'm a teacher. I get frustrated at the lack of understanding of how much teachers do. The extra effort required to do reports and do them all well is immense. I don't think one session of movie watching is doing irreparable damage to the learning. School is allowed to be fun and relaxing for the kiddies too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trustno1 View Post
    Why are teachers being portrayed as being so hard done by?
    My DH works for a corporation, he is on a salary, he has set hrs he must work and he does a butt load of overtime that he doesn't get paid extra for. He is constantly on call, works weekends on occasion, does paperwork stuff till ridiculous hours at night and only gets 4 weeks holiday a year, that he is generally on call for anyway.
    Can he be expected to just turn around to clients and say "I have other stuff I need to do, here watch a movie and I'll deal with you at the end of it"? God No. He would have his butt in HR and be put on performance management before he could blink.
    Why is it OK for teachers to do it? Because educating our children isn't important?
    OP I'd be upset too. Watching fluff for fluffs sake is not on.

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    Without knowing your husbands profession, perhaps the difference is teachers are constantly having to cop flak for all of their 'holidays' and 'hours' they work. Are his hours constantly scrutinised and he's told how easy he has it??

    All the teachers in here are doing is pointing out it's not what the generalised public think!

    Of course educating our children is important. But putting a movie on for kids isn't completely out of the ordinary and in my experience is seldom done 'because' of paperwork... But rather paperwork is done 'because' a movie has been put on.

    OP I'd be interested to know the year level of your child. My year 1s are actually quite over things with the demanding C2C. I try my best to schedule in down time for them (not in the form of a movie but sometimes colouring in or inside games time.) Neither of these things are optimal learning experiences but my little rugrats get so exhausted sometimes and I can see they need to have a break from the high mental stimulation expected of them.

    Funnily enough the parents of the kids in my class embrace this approach. Maybe I just struck it lucky with like minded parents. I also appreciate this of my son's teacher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trustno1 View Post
    Why are teachers being portrayed as being so hard done by?
    My DH works for a corporation, he is on a salary, he has set hrs he must work and he does a butt load of overtime that he doesn't get paid extra for. He is constantly on call, works weekends on occasion, does paperwork stuff till ridiculous hours at night and only gets 4 weeks holiday a year, that he is generally on call for anyway.
    Can he be expected to just turn around to clients and say "I have other stuff I need to do, here watch a movie and I'll deal with you at the end of it"? God No. He would have his butt in HR and be put on performance management before he could blink.
    Why is it OK for teachers to do it? Because educating our children isn't important?
    OP I'd be upset too. Watching fluff for fluffs sake is not on.

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    I agree. Teachers have made a career choice and generally knew what we were in for. However, we are one of the only professions that a) everyone has an opinion on, and b) are subject to regular snide remarks about the amount of 'holidays' we have, what is wrong with us, and why we are to blame for what kids can and can't do. I don't think we are hard done by, but I do try to restore the balance of these sort of comments.

    Most of us are extremely hard-working and dedicated and work under the weight of often unachievable expectations and outcomes. And you know what? I would bet there are times when your husband has an off day and doesn't put in 100% at his job and the whole world doesn't comment on it.

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