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    For what it's worth my kids are big whimps and scare very easily so I tried to think of costumes that are age-appropriately scary. Last year DS was an alien and DD was the astronaut that brought the alien back home. This year I wanted DD to be little red riding hood and DS to be the big bad wolf but they vetoed that idea. (I'm still sulking about it *insert pouty face*). DS wanted to be a vampire and DD is a witch. No gory make up though and definitely no trashing of people's homes or belongings who say "trick", we will be leaving them a plastic spider on their door step or letter box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambjam View Post
    And my understanding of costumes in America is that there's often a lot of pressure on parents to make them at home. So where exactly is this excessive "commercialism"? A few bags of lollies? A plastic spider web?
    It was more than 20 years ago that I lived over there for a year but all the costumes the younger children had were home made and nothing over elaborate either.

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    Halloween is closely related to contact with spiritual forces - many which are suppossed to threaten and frighten.

    In the fifth century B.C.E the celts observe the festival of samhain at the end of October when they believe ghosts and demons roam the earth more so than at any other time.

    In the first century C.E the Romans conquer the celts and adopt the spiritualistic rituals of the samhain

    Seventh Century C.E Pope Boniface IV is said to have established the annual celebration of All saints Day to honor martyrs

    Eleventh century C.E The second of November is designated as all souls day to commemorate the dead. Observances surrounding all saints day and all souls day and collectively called Hallowtide

    Eighteenth century C.E The name of the holiday Hallowe'en (hallow evening) appears in print as Halloween

    Nineteeth century C.E Thousands of people who move from Ireland to the USA bring with them Halloween customs that in time comined with similar emigrants from Britan and Germany as well as Africa and other parts of the world

    Twentieth century C.E Halloween becomes a popular nation wide holiday in the United States

    Twenty - first century Commercial interest in Halloween grows into a worldwide multi - billion dollar industry.

    The origins of some halloween customs and symbols is also interesting. Vampires, witches, warewolves and zombies have long been associated with the evil spirit world

    Candy (sorry lollies) The ancient Celts tried to appease wicked spirits with treats. The church later encouraged celebrants to go from house to house on all hallows eve, asking for food in return for a prayer for the dead. The custom eventually became halloweens trick or treat.

    The celts wore frightening masks / costumes so that evil spirits would mistakenly think the wearers were spirits and leave them alone.

    Pumpkins are carved and candlelit to repel evil spirits.

    Hardly a light hearted, innocent, respectful celebration of the dead but rather that they are something to be feared.

    Its a wiccan and pagan celebration so as a christian i dont celebrate it myself as well as having dark origins that i dont find suitable for children.
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    It's for this reason I'm more fond of the Mexican Day of the Dead. Much more positive and celebratory than fearful. But given the dates coincide I'm pretty sure they all connect up somewhere

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    I'm not against it ... But don't have my boys trick or treating. I've had Halloween parties for my birthday though as it's in the 26th.

    I kinda like the kids coming to my door - it's a good way of me getting rid of lollies from party bags throughout the year!!!

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    You have some great history stuff there.

    For me personally, the notion of spirits and keeping the evil ones away, is nothing more frightening than going to hell - or until recently limbo. All religions have their scary stuff

    Quote Originally Posted by SoThisIsLove View Post
    Halloween is closely related to contact with spiritual forces - many which are suppossed to threaten and frighten.

    In the fifth century B.C.E the celts observe the festival of samhain at the end of October when they believe ghosts and demons roam the earth more so than at any other time.

    In the first century C.E the Romans conquer the celts and adopt the spiritualistic rituals of the samhain

    Seventh Century C.E Pope Boniface IV is said to have established the annual celebration of All saints Day to honor martyrs

    Eleventh century C.E The second of November is designated as all souls day to commemorate the dead. Observances surrounding all saints day and all souls day and collectively called Hallowtide

    Eighteenth century C.E The name of the holiday Hallowe'en (hallow evening) appears in print as Halloween

    Nineteeth century C.E Thousands of people who move from Ireland to the USA bring with them Halloween customs that in time comined with similar emigrants from Britan and Germany as well as Africa and other parts of the world

    Twentieth century C.E Halloween becomes a popular nation wide holiday in the United States

    Twenty - first century Commercial interest in Halloween grows into a worldwide multi - billion dollar industry.

    The origins of some halloween customs and symbols is also interesting. Vampires, witches, warewolves and zombies have long been associated with the evil spirit world

    Candy (sorry lollies) The ancient Celts tried to appease wicked spirits with treats. The church later encouraged celebrants to go from house to house on all hallows eve, asking for food in return for a prayer for the dead. The custom eventually became halloweens trick or treat.

    The celts wore frightening masks / costumes so that evil spirits would mistakenly think the wearers were spirits and leave them alone.

    Pumpkins are carved and candlelit to repel evil spirits.

    Hardly a light hearted, innocent, respectful celebration of the dead but rather that they are something to be feared.

    Its a wiccan and pagan celebration so as a christian i dont celebrate it myself as well as having dark origins that i dont find suitable for children.

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    I'm not for or against it. We've gone to movie world fright nights the past two yrs and I let my two eldest kids go trick or treating with their friends and parents in their streets but I don't take my kids trick or treating. I don't have the money to decorate the house and buy lollies so we just don't participate unless we go out. We used to go to the local Halloween parade but it's been too advertised now and it's ruined it...far too many ppl for such a little place that you can't even get to the suburb anymore due to the traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    You have some great history stuff there.

    For me personally, the notion of spirits and keeping the evil ones away, is nothing more frightening than going to hell - or until recently limbo. All religions have their scary stuff
    I dont believe that hell as a literal place of torment is a bible teaching at all.

    Hell / hades / sheol is just the grave. Fire is used a symbol of eternal death or destruction. To give an example it says thats death and hades (the grave) will be thrown into the lake of fire and they cannot be literally burned up. In fact the bible says that the dead are conscious of nothing at all.

    Some religions which label themselves as christian may teach this, but not all christians do as study of the bible shows it up to be a false teaching.

    Not a great way to promote a God of love, i mean burning / torturing people forever?? Nothing more than a scare tactic
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    I know, scary. And all those full on Christian groups talking about the apocalypse and the 12 horsemen. That is so scary!

    Quote Originally Posted by SoThisIsLove View Post
    I dont believe that hell as a literal place of torment is a bible teaching at all.

    Hell / hades / sheol is just the grave. Fire is used a symbol of eternal death or destruction. To give an example it says thats death and hades (the grave) will be thrown into the lake of fire and they cannot be literally burned up. In fact the bible says that the dead are conscious of nothing at all.

    Some religions which label themselves as christian may teach this, but not all christians do as study of the bible shows it up to be a false teaching.

    Not a great way to promote a God of love, i mean burning / torturing people forever?? Nothing more than a scare tactic
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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    A lot of people don't celebrate Christmas or easter, I wonder if they resent it when all the shops start getting all the decorations and presents and trees in?

    Does anyone on here not celebrate those things? Does it make you feel resentful, annoyed, angry?
    I'm pagan, and I don't begrudge anyone their celebrations! I celebrate Christmas with my family, but I also celebrate Yule in June (ie, the winter solstice, the longest night of the year) when the evergreens/hot mulled wine/roast and pudding makes more seasonal sense!

    ::edit:: Woah, I commented before getting to some of the more vitriolic posts. Not feeling the love for pagans here! If anything were going to make me feel resentful/annoyed/angry, it'd be the inaccurate and hateful way some people speak about my traditions/beliefs, and their vehement objection to dressing up and getting high on sugar.
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