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    CANDY!!!!!!!!!!! :P

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    I think it's a load of American rubbish and don't see why it is becoming part of our culture. I understand that it is in other cultures in a different form which I think celebrate. I guess I'm against the commercialism and the idea that if u don't give the kids a treat they are entitled to a trick what ever that means. Each to their own though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kezanazz View Post
    Actually, pagans and wiccans in the northern hemisphere do, its samhain where death and rebirth is celebrated.... in the southern hemisphere we are 6 months different to there so here its beltane which is a festival for fertility...


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    I know - but they still celebrate Halloween as a religious occasion, when it happens yo be Halloween where they are

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    So basically it isn't Halloween that people have a problem with, but with the commercialism of it.

    I get the whole trick or treat thing, but carving lanterns out of vegetables (it actually used to be turnips in Ireland) is an ancient ritual and was done to scare the evil spirits away.

    It actually annoys me that all the naysayers keep going on about America and refuse to acknowledge that Halloween is not an American custom.

    If people were slagging of an Ancient Muslim custom they'd be shot down severely for it. Why is it ok to slag off an ancient Pagan/Celtic custom?

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    Although different forms of trick or treating can be traced back through history as well as the Celtic countries, in Germany and Scandinavian countries.

    I find this all a bit odd, and hypocritical, most people celebrate Christmas in Australia, but many are not religious - it is a tradition rather than a religious celebration.

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    Just to clear things up for those not aware, Halloween is derived from the Celtic / Gaelic/ Scottish / Welsh concept of 'Samhain', which has Druidic and Pagan roots, which marked the end of summer, harvest, and the beginning of winter. (In this regard, the timing is wrong for Australia, being located in the Southern Hemisphere where the seasons are opposite). It is thought of as a time when the veils between the worlds are at their thinnest and the dead may return to the earth. There are also earlier roots in various ancient Roman festivals of the dead.

    It was only popularised (and therefore commercialised) in America during and after the mass immigration from Ireland and Scotland which occurred in the 19th century. No trace of it was found in America prior to this time.

    In trick or treating, children adopt a 'guise' as they dress up as the dead, collecting the offerings meant for the real souls of the dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post

    I find this all a bit odd, and hypocritical, most people celebrate Christmas in Australia, but many are not religious - it is a tradition rather than a religious celebration.
    Yes, but christmas is a tradition in Australia and Halloween is not.

    That's not to say people don't celebrate other traditions, and people can't adopt traditions from elsewhere, and that traditions don't evolve. However for most people who grew up in Australia in the 70s, 80s and 90s, Halloween is not something we have grown up celebrating.

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    It's my understanding that in the southern hemisphere we should be celebrating Easter at Halloween and vice-versa and christmas should be in late June.

    Hot cross bun anyone???

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    I guess one could argue that until the 19th century it wasn't a tradition in the US either

    I grew up in Australia in the 70's, 80's and 90's and I agree there has been a change, I don't object to people not liking it or not wanting to partake. What I object to is people not getting their facts straight - Halloween is not an American tradition!

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    Yes, but christmas is a tradition in Australia and Halloween is not.

    That's not to say people don't celebrate other traditions, and people can't adopt traditions from elsewhere, and that traditions don't evolve. However for most people who grew up in Australia in the 70s, 80s and 90s, Halloween is not something we have grown up celebrating.

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    I grew up in the late 70s 80s and 90s and we did Halloween every year. But we celebrate our Irish heritage. This is the first year I have carved a turnip though (hard to find them this year too) and it turned out amazing

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