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    Guess I'm stupid then My DH and I are solely surviving on benefits at present. Guess that makes us leeches too.

    Thing is, I was working prior to my getting pregnant. I was sacked when I notified my employer I was pregnant some months later. I was told it was for my own safety, and then that the customers would be put off by it. A subsequent payout in settlement for unlawful dismissal meant that I received no benefits while we lived on this payout. That's something the OP and some PPs did not consider when posing the question or responding with their views: that each situation has a story behind it. There are PLENTY of people having children on welfare in BubHub and I'm sure some would be mortified reading this thread because they would feel they somehow have to justify their decisions. Well they don't. And neither do I. And may I just point out that I've met a lot of people who have jobs and money and don't provide their kids the basics. What do you say to them?

    Despite our current situation, our little family lives well. We have a lovely (rented - and it's not housing commission) home with all the basics, it's tidy and well kept, we eat well and stick to our budget which sees us with a little bit left over every fortnight. We manage to keep our car insured, registered and on the road as well as pay on time for our utilities etc. In short, we manage and we do it all on welfare. On top of this, we banked our baby bonus. It's still there in account we opened for our son.

    I wonder how many people throwing sh*t on welfare families have actually been in their shoes? Understand or bothered to find out the background to people's circumstances before they judged them? I doubt it. But hey, don't let the facts stand in the way of a good whinge

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    It doesn't bother me if people receive some sort of benefits and have more children.

    If that's their ONLY income when having a PLANNED baby though... I think that's evidence of really poor decision-making and a pretty stupid thing to do.

    If you're so poor that you're not able to even buy a loaf of bread to give your kids lunch for the week... don't go plan to get impregnated. It's freaking stupid.

    So yeah, I guess it depends on the level of welfare dependency for me. If they're fully relying on it, then no, it's not a good move. If they're getting a bit, but one or both of the parents is making money elsewhere and can afford to pay their bills and survive without TOO much of an issue... then meh.

    I automatically think how is that fair to the child rather than fair on society. I can't possibly make a judgement based on family circumstances I'm not aware of. I think the baby bonus has a lot to answer for though. Where I presently volunteer I see a lot of young women who are under pressure to become pregnant so that they can obtain and then hand over that bonus. Thing is, with the level of benefits available to families, if someone is not able to afford the basics then I have to wonder where the money is actually going.

    Patience wrote: I think the main question was basically if you are struggling to put food in your child's mouth, keep a roof over their heads and keep them clothed should you then go and add another child to the family, another mouth to feed? It annoys me to no end hearing about people that rely on food vouchers every week, have no money to buy formula for their baby yet start actively ttc another baby. How is that fair?
    You're right. It is very different. One is an unemployment benefit, the other is a parenting benefit (eg. you have young children and can't work) and FTB is a taxation entitlement that is dependent on what you earn (or don't). You don't have to be seeking work to obtain the last two.

    Quote Originally Posted by cassieh View Post
    I was under the impression the dole is quite different from parenting payments, FTB, etc. It is my understanding that you don't have to be actively seeking employment to receive those benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnyflower View Post
    I think it's very disrespectful and irresponsible to have a large family if you know you can't afford it.
    This exactly

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    @happy wanderer but if you were working when you were pregnant why do you think you are being judged by comments like sassy's? Clearly she is talking about a different circumstance.

    Also, yes if you receive a payout or severance then benefits don't start until the payout runs out. Otherwise you'd be effectively paid twice. That's the norm. Not sure what it's got to do with the topic?

    Sorry you got laid off for being pregnant. I've experienced all sorts of discrimination in the workplace for pregnancies. It sux.

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    I agree happy wanderer... Nobody in this thread has said that we judge families who go through rough patches.

    We have merely voiced our opinion that we think it's irresponsible to actively ttc when you are financially struggling, with the mindset that the government will take care of you.

    I don't think that is the case for your situation (based on what you've said)..

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    Happy wanderer you have been through a rough trot. I think welfare should be there for those such as your self who try and plan well but a situation just comes up and bites them. I don't think others in this thread would judge you. Hopefully your family can get back on track soon.

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    Given that this is a spin off from the TT "mansion demanding family of 13" who are living on welfare alone, who says that the kids were planned?
    According to one poster in that thread, the first 9 kids of the mother are from one man who is now deceased. Could it be possible that they were a family doin great and hubby died and now the family is in strife financially? The next child is from another man, possibly the man that comforted the grieving woman when her hubby died. Then the next two are from her current partner, possibly accidents.

    Why is it OK to have accidental pregnancies when you have one, two or even three children, but it becomes distasteful to society when there are more children?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trustno1 View Post
    Given that this is a spin off from the TT "mansion demanding family of 13" who are living on welfare alone, who says that the kids were planned?
    According to one poster in that thread, the first 9 kids of the mother are from one man who is now deceased. Could it be possible that they were a family doin great and hubby died and now the family is in strife financially? The next child is from another man, possibly the man that comforted the grieving woman when her hubby died. Then the next two are from her current partner, possibly accidents.

    Why is it OK to have accidental pregnancies when you have one, two or even three children, but it becomes distasteful to society when there are more children?

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    That american family the duggers with like 18 kids or more come to mind for me. They according to what ive read relied on their own real estate businesses and investments to fund their growing brood. They were also very religious and anti abortion and contraception. They left it in gods hands to say how many children they can or cannot have. It did spark controversy and they've had to address the issue numerous times as to how they fund the enormous family they have. Having said that they have numerous haters still now the mother is getting older and shes had some difficuties in pregnancy and even a stillborn I think or late term miscarriage (correct if im wrong) and it begs the question as she does everything from home school the kids she has to make their clothes everytime she has another pregnancy shes at risk. My point being the large family they have is still controversial even though they dont rely on the government for much as there is more to providing for kids than just money. Would they need financial assistance if the mother was no longer around? Hence the tt story how the mother was a widow with 8 kids prior to meeting her new partner. Perhaps they were self reliant then.

    As a mother of a surprise baby due to failed contreception I can totally see how this can happen to families that already have multiple children to feed and rely perhaps on welfare. Or maybe its this surprise baby that threw the spanner in the works to have them welfare dependant, as dad has an accident and cant work or they get made redundant all at the same time it happens.

    I think it becomes distasteful when people are actively ttc knowing there situation is already multiple mouths to feed. And they cant see a way out of being welfare dependant. For all those hubbers who are studying or on disability or carers pensions or been made redundant or on the unfortunate case of discrimination im not taking about you. Im reffering to fit and able body parents both mum and dads that choose this lifestyle.

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    I personally believe you should only have as many as you can afford... I don't believe children should go without common needs (food, cothes, schooling) let alone some luxuries. Especially if both parents are only living on benefits with no employment (by choice, not necessity).
    I was one of 4 and we struggled! If mum had had any more we would have really found life tough!
    My husband is one of eight and his dad has a great job and could financially cater to all those children.
    I personally also believe its about spending time with children too and you need to think about how many kids is too many to hve time together

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleetwood View Post
    Not wanting to argue with you, but if we're talking need, then if someone is financially worse off sending their child(ren) to childcare, then why would they?? Clearly the government sees a need to supplement c/care fees, but are you saying people who get it, don't (necessarily) need it?

    Why us relying solely in centrelink benefits to raise a child, so distinguishable from receiving centrelink benefits to help with raising children?

    I am on my way out but can reply later if anyone replies. <img src="images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" smilieid="1" class="inlineimg"
    In saying they don't "need" it to raise a child. They wouldn't be bankrupt without it.

    I am certain from your other posts that you are intelligent enough to know the difference between someone not working and having NO income apart from Centrelink benefits, and someone who earns their own income but receives one $7.5k rebate from the Govt to help with childcare costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassieh View Post
    I was under the impression the dole is quite different from parenting payments, FTB, etc. It is my understanding that you don't have to be actively seeking employment to receive those benefits.
    People receive FTB when they are working, it isn't welfare, it is people receiving their end of year tax fortnightly instead of at the end of the year.

    There is a huge difference between people never ever working and claiming the dole forever, and people who are working and receiving FTB??


 

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